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A Schism of Loyalty: Aidan and Tristan Caplan on the Third Convention

When we study historical schisms in Christian churches, including Latter-day Saints, we usually encounter stories of bitter theological disputes, splinter groups following charismatic figures, or outright rejections of foundational doctrines. But what happens when nearly a third of a country’s members break away from Church headquarters—not because they reject the Restored Gospel, but because they believe in it so deeply they demand the right to lead themselves? A fascinating new interview over at the Latter-day Saint history blog, From the Desk, features researchers Aidan Caplan and Tristan Caplan, who unpack the origins and legacy of a movement known as the “Third Convention.” Drawing on newly translated documents, the Caplans explore how a surge of Mexican national identity, administrative missteps from Salt Lake City, and a fierce loyalty to core doctrines created a unique decade-long schism that shaped the future of Global Mormonism.

What Was the Third Convention?

An Administrative, Not Theological, Rebellion

The roots of the Third Convention stretch back to the early 1930s. Following the sudden death of the beloved, Spanish-speaking Mission President Rey L. Pratt in 1931, Mexican Saints grew increasingly frustrated by the rotating cast of Anglo-American leaders sent by Church leaders in Utah.

Immersed in the strong national identity of post-Revolutionary Mexico, local members felt they were spiritually mature enough to govern themselves. They formally petitioned Church headquarters to call an indigenous, Mexican mission president. When administrative missteps, cultural misunderstandings, and delayed responses from Salt Lake City stalled the process, local leaders like Margarito Bautista and Abel Páez mobilized the frustration. In 1936, the Third Convention formally separated from the main body of the Church.

The Irony of Orthodox Dissent

Perhaps the most fascinating aspect of the Third Convention is the behavior of the dissenting Saints after the split. Unlike other historical break-offs that quickly spiraled into heterodoxy or formed entirely new religions, the Conventionists remained remarkably orthodox.

They did not reject the Book of Mormon, the prophetic calling of Joseph Smith, or the necessity of priesthood keys. In fact, they continued to hold regular priesthood meetings, organize congregations, and build chapels. Their protest was strictly against administrative and cultural imperialism. They were effectively running a fully functioning, orthodox Latter-day Saint mission that simply refused to report to American leaders:

The dogmatic gap between the LDS Church and the Third Convention was minimal. Third Conventionists consistently maintained that they were in harmony with the LDS Church, and even expelled prominent members such as Margarito Bautista and Daniel Mejía over their support for polygamy. Moreover, correspondence sent from Third Conventionist leadership to President Heber J. Grant made clear that they still regarded the LDS church president as a prophet, seer, and revelator.

The Diplomacy of George Albert Smith

The schism lasted for an agonizing ten years, dividing families and congregations across Mexico. The resolution, however, stands as one of the great triumphs of pastoral leadership in the 20th-century Church.

In 1946, Church President George Albert Smith traveled to Mexico to attend a historic conference with the Conventionists. Rather than demanding groveling apologies or handing down harsh punishments for their decade of rebellion, President Smith employed careful cultural diplomacy. He met the Mexican Saints with profound love and respect, healing the rift through reconciliation rather than retribution:

The most tangible face-saving measures owed to George Albert Smith. Smith commuted the sentences of the excommunicated Third Conventionist leaders from excommunication to disfellowshipment, a lesser sentence which did not require rebaptism. Moreover, he fulfilled a longstanding Third Conventionist desire to voice their views to the Prophet in person by journeying to Mexico in May 1946 and meeting with them.

The reunification of the Third Convention provided a crucial learning experience for Church leaders in Salt Lake City. It vividly demonstrated that for the Church to truly become a global faith, it had to trust local members to lead. The healing of the schism paved the way for the eventual creation of localized stakes and temples in Mexico, setting a structural precedent for international growth around the world.


For more on the newly translated documents surrounding this era, the specific roles of Abel Páez and Margarito Bautista, and the lasting legacy of the 1946 reunification, head on over to the Latter-day Saint history blog, From the Desk, to read the full interview about the Third Convention, with Aidan and Tristan Caplan.

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Comments

9 responses to “A Schism of Loyalty: Aidan and Tristan Caplan on the Third Convention”

  1. Not a Cougar

    Chad, it’s a fascinating story, and not one that I think will ever be repeated, certainly not the disfellowshipping in place of excommunication. Were the Third Convention to happen today, it would be widespread news to the entire Church body within days (I’m sure the Salt Lake Tribune would provide plenty of coverage as would the various ex-Mormon outlets). With the entire Church watching, I simply can’t see President Oaks doing anything short of withdrawing the membership of those attempting to force Church leadership to bend to their will.

    Can you speak to whether the leadership chain worked differently back then? My understanding is that the first stake in Mexico was created in Colonia Juarez in 1895, though I don’t know how many additional stakes there were by 1936. Was all or most of Mexico included in the Third Convention? Were branch, district, ward, and stake leaders across the country all released and replaced or did those who weren’t the top leaders largely escape punishment?

  2. There weren’t stakes in Mexico at that time outside of the one in the colonies, and after the Mexican Revolution decimated the colony populations, even that stake was put under the direction of the Mexican Mission President. During the 1920s and early 1930s, Rey Pratt and his successors were functionally the president of all Spanish-speaking Latter-day Saints, under the direction of the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve.

    Most of the Church’s presence in Mexico at that time was focused in central Mexico, in the capital and surrounding regions, and was only gradually spreading out from there (again, except for what remained of colonies in the far north). So, the lead-up to the Third Convention was going on in a situation where there were a handful of branches of various sizes receiving no external budget and very little guidance from Church headquarters and trying to figure out how the Church functions in that setting without any manuals (or even the Doctrine and Covenants) in their language.

    From that situation, about 1/3 of the Latter-day Saints there split off to form their own church and created their own ecclesiastical structure to mirror the Church (over 1,000 people). Geographically, they were spread out over the same central Mexican area where the mainline church existed.

    The other 2/3 remained in the Church and continued to function under Harold Pratt and then Arwell Pierce (by then, the mission had split to put Spanish-speaking people in the United States under a different mission president). Where their leaders remained in the Church, they were left intact, but where they had leaders who joined the Third Convention, they were replaced.

    I believe that when the First Presidency excommunicated the Third Conventionists, it was only the top leaders listed by name, but that people who followed them were treated like they were joining another church. Both the mainline Church and the Third Convention were seeing success in missionary efforts throughout the decade, though, which is part of why it was so surprising that the Third Convention reunified with the Church. When it did reunite, all of the leaders of the Third Convention who came back into the Church were accepted back in without further punishment. (Margarito Bautista and a few other leaders had formed their own schismatic movements from the Third Convention and were not interested in reuniting, which meant they remained excommunicated.)

    It wasn’t until 1961 that a stake was organized down there.

  3. Not a Cougar

    Chad, thanks for the additional context. This is a great example of why I find Church history so endlessly fascinating.

  4. Interesting now how much more diverse and representative the Church leadership is becoming when compared to the demographics of the Wasatch Front. I wonder if in the future the Western or US Saints frustration they are no longer over represented in leadership will bubble up similar to the way whites are with MAGA in the US right now politically.

  5. Chad Nielsen

    RL, that’s a good question. It would not surprise me if that happened.

    I feel like the choice to call Clark Gilbert as an apostle was a deliberate choice to keep some Utah/US folks in charge for the foreseeable future, though that doesn’t mean that overrepresentation is going to be the norm.

  6. That’s a scary thought, RL. Recent history suggests that if it does happen, the trigger will be putting a black man in a position of authority, say, as a member of the Twelve. I expect that will happen soon(ish), so let’s hope no such backlash arises.

    I’ve been a bit perplexed by the Church’s apparent determination to make the reopening of the Salt Lake Temple a significant event for the global Church. I figured it was just the effect of most of the leadership still being from the Wasatch Front. If instead it is a deliberate gesture to make the people there feel like they’re still the heart of the Church, no harm done and hopefully some good will come of it.

  7. TexasAbuelo

    Thanks to this site for bringing to light important information about the history of the Church in Mexico (ya’ll had a boatload of great info on hymns from the Mexican Mission recently). Mexico has played an important role in the restoration during the late 19th century and 20th century foward. The great faith of these Saints is truly inspirational. Personally a group of old faithful Mexican saints kept me active during a rebellious (and what could have been disastrous) youth with the strength and depth of their faith, devotion, and inclusion of me – a problem teenager- in their service.

  8. Love it TexasAbuelo

    Mexico and Mexicans are severely underrated IMO.

  9. Chad Nielsen

    TexasAbuelo, I’m glad to hear that! I have loved learning about the history of the church with Mexicans. Currently, I’m writing a biography of Rey L. Pratt, so there’s a good chance more stuff will appear here at T&S over the next little while.

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