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How Many Latter-day Saints Have Ever Had An Elective Abortion? How Did They Feel About It?

How many Latter-day Saints have ever had an abortion? The dataset I used last week about masturbation also had a question about abortion history, so we can do the same thing here. Once again, with our 322 Latter-day Saints it’s not super tight confidence intervals, but it’s not just ballparking it either.

The question is: “How many times have you ever been pregnant (or made a partner pregnant) that resulted in an elective abortion?”

The question wording’s a little too cognitively difficult for my taste (e.g. I would have preferred some gendered skip logic with a simple”have you ever had an elective abortion” for women), but it’s good enough for our purposes.

We find that:

6% of Latter-day Saint men indicated yes, and

7% of Latter-day Saint women.

For non-Latter-day Saints these numbers are 15% and 22%, respectively.

So, again in a finding that should not be surprising to anybody, Latter-day Saint men and women tend to have fewer experiences aborting their children than their non-Latter-day Saint counterparts. Latter-day Saint women are at 1/3 the rate of non-Latter-day Saint women, and men are at about 1/2 to 1/3 of the rate.

So while abortion is genuinely rare in the Latter-day Saint community, it’s not unheard of either. About one out of every 14 women in a representative congregation will have had an abortion so, I don’t know, two in a relief society lesson? (Although I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s negatively correlated with activity, even among self-identified Latter-day Saints, so the visualization of how many people sitting in a relief society lesson might not be apropos).

On then on the male side about one in every 17 have had a child aborted, so again maybe two per EQ meeting (depending on the size of your EQ and RS).

At the outset we should note that this question doesn’t tell us how many have had abortions while they were Latter-day Saints. When my father was a mission president in Russia he mentioned that nearly all older female converts had to have the special interview-with-a-mission-president to get baptized because in the late Soviet cultural context abortion was basically their contraception. By the same token, while we can assume they were at a higher “risk” of abortion while they were non-members given the numbers above, we have no justification for assuming they were all pre-Latter-day Saint abortions. The distribution of people having abortions when they were less active or non-members, or the abortions that fit into the Church’s list of exceptions, is unknown. In any case, Latter-day Saint women and men who have had a child aborted are rare but not non-existent.

The survey did ask when they had their first abortion. At this point we’re dealing with 18 cases of abortions by current members of the Church, so it’s not big enough to draw any conclusions about distribution, but it’s still interesting. Four refused the question, six were teens, four were in their 20s, one in their 30s, and three in their 40s.

It also asked “looking back upon the [first] abortion now, which of these statements best captures your feelings about it?” Of the men seven answered this question, with four saying “while it may not have been an easy decision, I have never regretted it,” two saying “there have been times when I regretted it, but overall, I think it was the right decision,” and one saying “I wish she had not had the abortion.”

For the women two of them indicated “while it may not have been an easy decision, I have never regretted it,” one of them said “there have been times when I regretted it, but overall, I think I made the right decision,” three of them said “I wish I had not had the abortion,” and two of them said “none of these statements characterize my feelings about it today.”

Finally, it also asked them “did you feel that decision to have the [first] abortion was the right thing to do at the time?” For the Latter-day Saint cases eight of them (four men, four women) indicated “I was sure it was the right thing to do,” one of them (a male) indicated “I wondered whether it was the right thing to do or not,” two of them (one man, one woman) indicated “I thought it was the wrong thing, but I felt the need to go through with it,” one woman said “I thought it was the wrong thing, but I was encouraged by others to do it,” and three of them (one man, two women) indicated “none of these statements characterize my feelings about it at the time.” So feelings about their abortion were often complex and ran the gamut.


Comments

24 responses to “How Many Latter-day Saints Have Ever Had An Elective Abortion? How Did They Feel About It?”

  1. For some helpful context from a female reader, the term “abortion” or “medical abortion” is also used for a miscarriage (not an “elective abortion”). So when I saw your headline title, I thought–probably half of them! If a quarter to a third of all pregnancies miscarry, and LDS women have several children each, there’s a good chance that half of the Relief Society has dealt with this (and how do they feel about it? very complicated grief). I wish this were a larger part of the conversation, that miscarriages use the exact same medical procedure abortions do, that we need medical people trained in these procedures, that some require hard decisions as well. It is not a black and white topic.

  2. Stephen C

    Good point, I changed the title to specify “elective abortion.”

  3. I fully support acw’s point. Latter-day Saints lack a baseline understanding and common vocabulary to adequately discuss this issue.

  4. Stephen: I think these are weird questions. It never occurs to me to wonder how many people are masturbating or have had an abortion. Why so nosy?

  5. Stephen C

    To quote from the first post: “Masturbation is a human behavior, worthy of study and quantification like any other behavior. It’s a real thing, it’s a thing some people do. Furthermore, it’s a thing the Church has taken a position on. Therefore, it is fair game for quantification vis-a-vis Church members as long as it is treated appropriately.”

  6. To follow Lily, what good comes from quantification vis-a-vis Church members?

  7. Stephen C

    I suppose the same thing that comes from quantifying whether they are educated or not, wealthy or not, where they live, what Latter-day Saints do in their spare time relative to other people. They’re behaviors just like any other.

    As a sidebar, it is interesting to me how, despite the claims of some that it’s the conservatives who pooh pooh sexuality research or who are skittish about talking about sex, in my experience just as much if not more of the pushback comes from the left (not saying you or Lily are left necessarily, just an observation).

  8. You are correct. I lean left. And I am a prude.

  9. I kind of agree with Lily. It seems kind of creepy or something that I am not sure how to define. Not quite looking in windows to watch people undress, but still creepy. I am not sure how much of it is my attitude that men should have zero say about abortion because it is not their body, it is not their life put at risk, it is not them throwing up or confined to bed for months. And yeah, you being male just feels like once again men are preachy/judgmental about what women do.

    And your statistics do not even ask things about was the pregnancy caused by rape or incest or some other case where the church is actually accepting of elective abortion, or with the men, was the mother who aborted LDS, or is he talking about his feelings about something she does not think of as sin? Does the definition you are using ask if the mother’s life or health were in danger.

    It just seems like you have such a small sample size, very inadequate information with vague definitions and you are trying to draw conclusions.

    Normally, I am all for good answers to even hard questions, but you don’t get to any useful answer at all. So, all I am left with is this “ick” factor that I am not sure how to define or explain.

  10. There is a long tradition of assuming that all religious people are hypocrites, and a more recent tradition of making pronouncements on the lives of Latter-day Saints based on sloppy sampling methods, so I think Stephen’s posts are very useful.

  11. More abortions than you think

    Based on my short time as a branch president, district president and ward clerk, the answer to your question is definitely more than you think.

    Just from those experiences, I know as many people that were members of the LDS church and had abortions as were found in this survey. I won’t discuss details from people that brought this up during interviews , but three of my close friends had elective abortions and have spoken publically or written about their experience. One had a child with severe birth defects and a complicated pregnancy. Another found out she was pregnant in the middle of treatment for brain cancer that harmed the baby and was life threatening. Plus another for nonmedical reasons during a terribly messy and complicated divorce. The assumption that more active members have fewer abortions I don’t see evidence for.

    My wife and I had a stillborn son that medically would count as an abortion since it required induced labor and medical procedure to save my wife’s life after he died in utero. My brother and his wife had a son with trisomy-18 and delivered at full term but it was horribly traumatic and she tells everyone she wishes she hadn’t listened to her bishop and had an abortion.

  12. My wife had an embryo that didn’t develop and was essentially empty. The doctors recommended removing it rather than waiting for her body to reject it for possible complications.

    Would you call that an elective abortion?

    A better question to get at what really needs to be known is, how many LDS have had elective abortions of viable pregnancies.

    The fact that this wasn’t considered suggests severe oversight or bias in wanting to conflate the two.

  13. Much of Stephen’s research is about how and to what extent Church members believe and live the teachings of the Church. I imagine his work on Catholics is similar. His recent posts on masturbation and abortion are just part of that research agenda. It’s not the only thing a demographer of religion can study, but it’s certainly an obvious thing. I don’t find these posts creepy, but then one project I support is analyzing data from a menstrual cycle tracking app, so take that judgement for what it’s worth.

    Also, Stephen didn’t collect the data so he didn’t get to choose the sample size or the wording, and he was clear about the resulting limitations of his analysis. You analyze the data you have, not the data you wish you had.

  14. I volunteer every week with Pro-Life Utah, offering free sonograms, financial support, and many other services to women going into Planned Parenthood in SLC. We frequently meet more-or-less active LDS women from youth to middle age, from single to married to divorced, with or without children, who have decided to abort their child because of whatever personal or social crisis they are facing at the time. Most do not seem to be aware of the Church’s unequivocal opposition to elective abortion.

    Elder Andersen’s recent talk explicitly stated that this is a moral issue, not a political one, and that we should be teaching about this topic in Relief Society and Elders Quorum meetings.

  15. Good Reason

    “Most do not seem to be aware of the Church’s unequivocal opposition to elective abortion.” That is amazing. But I see the same thing happening with other issues, too. Maybe it’s time for a retrenchment.

  16. This is US data, it’s different for post-soviet block LDS women and I would suspect, European women from countries who have stronger health education instruction, access to birth control, etc.

    Chip’s interpretation of LDS policy on abortion is terrifying. Everyone- your daughters the gospel and the actual CHI.

  17. from the church’s website:

    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes in the sanctity of human life. Therefore, the Church opposes elective abortion for personal or social convenience, and counsels its members not to submit to, perform, encourage, pay for, or arrange for such abortions.

    The Church allows for possible exceptions for its members when:
    – Pregnancy results from rape or incest, or
    – A competent physician determines that the life or health of the mother is in serious jeopardy, or
    – A competent physician determines that the fetus has severe defects that will not allow the baby to survive beyond birth.

    Even these exceptions do not automatically justify abortion. Abortion is a most serious matter. It should be considered only after the persons responsible have received confirmation through prayer. Members may counsel with their bishops as part of this process.

    The Church’s position on this matter remains unchanged [meaning that the church has no position on abortion legislation or demonstrations]. As states work to enact laws related to abortion, Church members may appropriately choose to participate in efforts to protect life and to preserve religious liberty.

    I note that the church appropriately limits its counsel to its own members.

  18. @ji — Your paraphrases that “the church has no position on abortion legislation or demonstrations” and “the church appropriately limits its counsel to its own members” are inaccurate and misleading.

    The church policy that “remains unchanged” explicitly says, “We continue to encourage our members as citizens to let their voices be heard in appropriate and legal ways that will evidence their belief in the sacredness of life.” (https://bit.ly/4sHlFOu) So the Church *does* have a position officially encouraging members to participate in legal demonstrations and other pro-Life activities.

    And the Proclamation on the Family is addressed as “A Proclamation to the World” (not just to members of the Church), and states simply “We affirm the sanctity of life.” (https://bit.ly/47BmJLr)

    You can find dozens and dozens of statements like these in the Doctrinal Library compiled at Latter-day Saints for Life: https://bit.ly/47zsA45

    The LDS Church is unequivocally opposed to elective abortion. The list of possible exceptions is very small (less than 1% of all abortions), and is clearly intended to be interpreted in a very constrained manner.

    But I can also confirm that “A person who seeks forgiveness with “godly sorrow” (2 Corinthians 7:10; see also 3 Nephi 9:20) and “full purpose of heart” (3 Nephi 18:32) may repent and be forgiven for the sin of abortion.” (You left that part out of your quotation.) I have many friends in this work who have experienced this transformation in their own lives, and it is a beautiful thing to witness.

  19. @Mortimer – Your world view is really bizarre.

    Apparently suggesting, “Let’s not kill this baby” is terrifying to you.

    But saying, “Let’s chop this living baby to pieces, crush her skull with pliers, vacuum everything out, and then maybe we can sell her organs to research labs” is A-Okay.

    I don’t get it.

  20. Chip, Your link was to an outdated 1991 version of the church statement, but I provided the complete text of the current version. Yes, my reading of the church’s current official statement tells me that the church limits its counsel to its own members, and my reading of the current statement and the immediately preceding statement tells me the church has no position on abortion legislation or demonstrations. I understand some church members may occasionally teach beyond the current official statement, but I rely on the current official statement.

    I fully support religious liberty, so I support the right of Latter-day Saints to avoid elective abortions, and for others to similarly follow their own religious teachings, if any, on the matter. Regarding legislation, I sustain the privilege of all citizens to make their own decisions at the ballot box. Best wishes.

  21. You are using a statement that says “the Church’s position on this matter remains unchanged,” and arguing that it means that the Church position on this matter HAS changed.

    The Church opposes elective abortion for personal or social convenience. To support this statement I will cite Dallin H. Oaks, who said in 2001: “The Church opposes elective abortion for personal or social convenience.” (https://bit.ly/3NZW2tb)

    The Church’s position on this matter remains unchanged. And we should be teaching this doctrine in our Relief Society and Elders Quorum meetings.

  22. Chip, I feel sorry for you. Yes, you quoted one sentence from Elder Oaks from a long-ago 1999 address, but you omitted the very next sentence: “Our members are taught that, subject only to some very rare exceptions, they [meaning our members] must not submit to, perform, encourage, pay for, or arrange for an abortion.”

    Can you explain the limiting words “counsels its members” and “possible exceptions for its members” in the church’s current official statement?

    Please remember the old adage that we listen to living prophets, not dead prophets, or something like that. You are desperately recalling the past, but I invite you to consider the present in the form of the church’s official current statement at https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/official-statement/abortion.

    You may have the last word, however outdated or uncharitable it might be. I have brought the horse to water, so to speak, but I cannot and wouldn’t want to force you to drink. Best wishes.

  23. One of my moms gave birth to a 9-pound baby girl early this morning. And another will be having her twin boys by C-section tomorrow.

    I am living the high life right now, participating in the most impactful and deeply spiritual work that I have ever been involved in. I have no idea why you would pretend to “feel sorry” for me, nor why you expect me to care at all what you think of me.

    I do know that if we had not been there for these mons those fateful days last summer, these three little children would be dead today, and their mom’s would have been left carrying the psychological trauma of knowing in their hearts that they had killed their own children.

    If you want to “feel sorry” for someone, maybe you could think of the million other children and their moms, in the US alone, who weren’t so lucky last year.

    By the way, Dallin Oaks is very much a living prophet, and not a dead one as you imply. And the passage I quoted about repentance and forgiveness “for the sin of abortion” is from today’s General Handbook, wording that was revised just a couple months ago. (https://bit.ly/4m37Bwe)

    This is current Church policy, much more authoritative than the summary from a Newsroom press release that you are relying on.

    And if anyone is curious about how Pro-Life Utah helps these women, here’s a short talk I gave last year, telling some of our stories: https://bit.ly/41MLqB6

  24. I invite all of you to remember this conversation when we sing the following lyrics during the Easter Sunday Morning session of General Conference:

    “Consider the sweet tender children who must suffer on this earth;
    The pains of all of them He carried from the day of His birth.”

    I’m the blond guy in the Bass section with tears in my eyes, every single time we sing that one.

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