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The Kids are All Right: Church Activity, the Youth, and the Best and the Brightest

Note: recently there’s been a lot of hullabaloo in various fora about the results of a BYU Studies study that discussed youth retention rates. For what it’s worth, I wrote this post before all that dropped; even though it’s relevant to that theme, this isn’t some kind of a direct response to that back-and-forth. 

I had the privilege of teaching seminary a few years back to 2-3 students (they really cut up those seminary teaching districts finely), one of which was one of those high schoolers whose ambition knows no bounds who’s going to get a triple PhD/MBA/MD/JD/MFA degree or whatever, so it was great to hear that she had been accepted into Yale. A few years later I ran into her again at a ward function and yes, she was still at Yale and was excited about having just put in her mission papers.  

From one perspective, that isn’t supposed to happen. It’s an old canard in some circles that the Church needs to fundamentally change or it will lose its best and the brightest. This idea actually has an old pedigree. Hugh Nibley recounts an episode where O.C. Tanner bemoaned that the Book of Mormon is “driving the best minds out of the Church.” And then famously Thomas Jefferson prophesied all the youth of his generation would die Unitarians.

In the more modern iteration seminary students who leave and are exposed to university learning and ideals are supposed to question everything about their cisheteronormative patriarchal colonial upbringing and become activists. (Although the university-to-activist pipeline has had a pretty rough go the past couple of years, for myriad orthogonal reasons we don’t need to go into here). 

The thing is, I just don’t see it. Of course, it happens, a lot of people leave, including the youth, including some who are accepted to elite universities, but as a widespread phenomena the idea that the smart people leave, so only the dummies who don’t have a sophisticated take on higher criticism or whatever are left doesn’t seem to pan out. It is probably true that people with more of a social activist-y bent tend to leave, but that’s not synonymous with sophistication, education, or just plain having their stuff (Times and Seasons is PG) together. Anecdotally, in my extended family the ones that have their life course ducks in a row tend to be the more church-y ones (Sorry nephew(s) so and so, we love you and I doubt you’re reading this, but you could get off your butt and stop playing video games all day.) Less anecdotally, My BYU Studies article on this shows that stayers are actually more educated and wealthier, and Alex Bass’ analysis of more recent data has shown the same. More educated, higher paying careers, higher chance of marriage, more children. That doesn’t make the Church’s truth claims valid, of course, or even necessarily establish causality, but trying to blackmail the Church into changing or else the best and the brightest will leave is a self-serving fantasy more than anything.

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*One caveat, I wouldn’t be surprised if there were niches within academia or particular demographics where the education gradient was reversed–the data is old but David Knowlton found some evidence for this, showing that members who received higher education in humanities, for example, were more likely to leave. So yes, if you’re going to graduate school in queer theory I’m assuming your staying an orthodox member is pretty close to nil. I’ve run into more than my fair share of super smart types from my high school and college years that are in their umpteenth year of humanities/social science graduate school and are very much not church-y. However, those fields are not the totality of what it means to be a sophisticated human being, and there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt up in seminars on postcolonial readings. That’s not to bag on those fields, just that they don’t count for sophistication or capital W wisdom points any more than, say, an accounting degree or physics PhD. 


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6 responses to “The Kids are All Right: Church Activity, the Youth, and the Best and the Brightest”

  1. In my *extremely* anecdotal experience, the number one indicator of staying from the kids I knew in high school is attending university. I can’t think of anyone who didn’t attend university who is still active, and those who did are still going strong. I’m in my first year of a PhD program in a large, public school in the South, and our (huge) ward is primarily composed of PhD students and professors (of the research active faculty in my department, almost 1/4 are active LDS). So I would wholeheartedly agree.

  2. A Southern department where 1/4 are LDS? Very different from my experience! But that’s really cool.

  3. To mirror JTB, in my *extremely* annecdotal experience, I can’t think of any youth in my recent wards who have skipped college and gone directly into the workforce, so my observations pertain to college-bound youth. Of those, perhaps 75% went to a BYU campus. And of those, approximately 50% have chosen to outwardly disaffiliate with the faith after graduation. (Inward distancing occurred much earlier but often after the start of their college career.) Most who chose non-BYU schools are still active members. I haven’t attempted to quantify any of this or go through every youth name by name, but I’ve been frequently surprised by the number of BYU students I know who chose to leave. Usual caveats: anecdote ? data and correlation ? causation.

  4. The blog apparently interpreted my “unequal” symbols as question marks

  5. Alex Bass crunched some numbers on the BYU/Not BYU retention split (except I’m seeing that now now it’s paywalled). https://mormonmetrics.com/p/the-byu-effect?utm_source=publication-search. I think he found that there was a positive BYU effect.

  6. To add to the anecdotes, the people I’m seeing struggle the most are in mental health fields, like psychology and social work.

    With the Joseph Fielding Smith/Bruce R. McConkie era firmly behind us, church members aren’t expected to believe anything about the world that’s contradicted by modern science. Yes, we believe in things for which there’s very little generally accepted evidence: Nephites, obviously, but also the resurrection and God himself. But that’s very different from being told your religion says the world is 7,000 years old while geology says it’s 4.5 billion years old, and you have to choose between them. A young member can now study biology, physics, chemistry, engineering, etc. without ever being taught something that argues against their faith.

    Scientific fields that study people, individually or collectively, and then draw conclusions (as they should!) about how people should live or how society should function are another matter. The gap between what the church says and what the academy says isn’t as wide as some members suppose–the sociologists I work with generally agree that stable two-parent families are best for children and adults, for example–but LGBT issues and gender in general are huge areas of conflict.

    So it makes sense to me that while a university education in general does not reduce young members’ faithfulness, an education in certain fields has a good chance of doing so.

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