Regression to the Mean, Survivorship Bias, and Staying in the Church

A common perception is that 1) Hardly anybody used to leave the Church, and 2) Now lots of people leave the Church. There are still people who see themselves as unique in having a family member who has left, when now I think that’s more the rule than the exception. 

First off, as I have pointed out before, more people are indeed leaving the Church now than in the past. (Incidentally, people are really interested in that fact; that post is by far one of my most-read). 

That being said, I think we have an exaggerated sense of how much things are different nowadas. If you were raised, LDS, umpteenth generation yadda yadda, then by definition you are the end result of an unbroken line of people staying in the Church, so all things being equal you’re going to experience a regression to the mean, where you had a 100% retention in your line, but every additional generation has a lower-than-100% chance of staying, thus making it seem like there’s some grand line of Church faithfulness being broken every time somebody leaves the Church. (I somewhat fallaciously point this dynamic out whenever my wife gets worried about a sick kid–but dear, we come from a line of 100% survival and reproductive success going back eons!).*

Survivorship bias also comes into play. The classic case of survivorship bias is when air force planners in World War II identified the locations of bullet holes in the planes to decide where to put extra armor, until somebody pointed out that those were the planes that made it back. Of course there were no bullet holes over the engine, because a plane with a damaged engine probably wasn’t going to make it back.  

It doesn’t take long going through family histories to get the stories of the people who didn’t come out West, or who left after the railroad came through, or what have you. We don’t hear their stories, so from our perspective it looks like pretty much everybody stayed until the Internet, like some insulated Amish community or East European Shtetl. But they’re there.

My wife is related to Fay Wray, one of the original “scream queens,” who left the Church early in her career (if not sooner).   

My wife’s ex-Mo Great-Great-Great Aunt

Then there’s Jack Dempsey, the world champion boxer, and Kimball Young (grandson of Brigham), one of the first presidents of the American Sociological Association. A lot of people left back when supposedly nobody was leaving.

I had a fun experience when I was interviewing a very devout, traditional Catholic man with a large family my research:

“As a Catholic you surely recognize that X Y Z”

[Me thinking, here’s the awkward part] “Actually, I’m not Catholic,”

“Well, what are you?”

“I’m a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, aka “Mormons””

“Oh” (awkward pause). My father is named XYZ, his father was named XYZ, and his father…and his father was Samuel Smith!”

And then we spent the rest of the time talking about the religious politics of late-era Nauvoo.

So yes, while your personal family history might be an unbroken chain of people who got up in the morning, took their turns at the irrigation ditch, and baptized their kids, that’s because you’re around as a multi-generational Mormon to talk about your Mormonism, but that experience isn’t representative of the cornucopia of people joining and leaving the Church throughout the 19th and early 20th centuries. So yes, more people are leaving now, but let’s not exaggerate how crisp the lines of religious transmission were back in the day. 


*We see this in the value investing world. I don’t know near enough to have a strong opinion on the matter, but my understanding is there’s a debate as to whether the Warren Buffets who beat the stock market a lot are geniuses or lucky, since if you take a thousand people and flip a coin five times for each of them some of them are going to just get five in a row by chance and can lecture everybody about how their success is due to this One Weird Trick, but if you select the lucky winners and flip the coin again, they’ll only have a 50% chance.


Comments

9 responses to “Regression to the Mean, Survivorship Bias, and Staying in the Church”

  1. I’m not a social scientist of any sort, and I cannot provide empirical data, but surely there were people “leaving the church” in the old days — perhaps they were less likely to remove their names from the rolls, but couldn’t they “withdraw” or “retire” from active church participation and even belief while remaining culturally Mormon?

    As I understand from the old handbook, one really couldn’t remove his or her name from the rolls in the old days — such a request would result in a disciplinary council. The disciplinary council might result in an excommunication, but the handbook instructed leaders to conduct the council to record the facts, and then the council record would be reviewed if there was a subsequent request for re-admission. Anyway, my point is that formally leaving the church was very difficult in the old days.

  2. John Mansfield

    What I see more of a hundred years back is Jack Dempsey’s type of identification, “I’m proud to be a Mormon and ashamed to be the Jack Mormon that I am.” Tenuous connection that would have most today saying “I used to be Mormon” or “I grew up in a Mormon family” would a hundred years ago cause many to say “Yeah, I’m a Mormon” even if they were living lives like Dempsey’s with no connection to the Church. That tenuous connection even got passed down to some portion of their children for generations (the “survivors”). I suspect that for nonreligious Mormons a hundred years ago, closer to the hardships of the 19th Century, ceasing to identify as Mormon at all would have felt like a betrayal a bit like a Jew denying his identity.

  3. We have Ex Mormons and former Mormons who don’t seem to have a viable reason to call themselves cultural Mormons anymore because the culture is more and more based on devout exclusive behaviors of belief including full tithing payment, WOW adherence, and Temple worship. We also have purposefully tried to be more of a faith than a people since correlation took over. I can see why we did the trade off but I also see it may be at the cost of conflict with aspects that foster a broader community. Agree with OP it’s a part of broader trends our smaller group is trying to navigate.

  4. Do we have any data available to look at relative departure rate, considering with more membership then even if the departure rate remained around the same, the total numbers leaving would of course be larger?

  5. yesterdays “in-actives” are today’s “exmo’s” IMO. Like ji stated, was not easy to get your names removed back in the day. In fact, part of the exmo movement in the last 10+ years was helping people get their name removed because it was so hard or near impossible to do.

    Now you just need a social media presence and disagree with the church about their version of JS polygamy. ;)

    17 mil members – 50% active = 8.5 mil in the pews on any given sunday. (or less) Talk about straight is the gate and narrow is the way….we are a tick on the tail of a horse!

  6. Very engaging article, Stephen. Thank you.

    Personally, I have little doubt that the LDS Church will survive; if nothing more than a “religiously based Investment Firm” Heaven knows, they’ve got enough financial resources to weather just about any kind of storm.

    However, as for being the “Spiritual Platform’ from which so many will base their lives, decisions and relationships to the Divine – I personally believe those days are shrinking….and rather significantly.

    For me now, the Chruch is pretty hollowed out, banal and empty. Save for the Sacrament – I generally feel no nurishment at all by being there.

  7. Not a Cougar

    I’ve seen statements indicating somewhere between 40 and 50% of Mormon pioneers in the 19th century who crossed the plains ultimately left the Church (and usually Utah). I wish I could find out where those numbers come from. If true, then it suggests we’ve always struggled with retention, even in members who have sacrificed much to build Zion.

  8. Stephen C

    Adam F: As a proportion more people are leaving now than in the past (“the past” being about 20 years ago, beyond that it gets fuzzy). So yes, as the Church becomes larger a larger proportion of people leaving=more ex-members.

  9. Coffinberry

    In my research for a historical novel set in 1915 in which one of the two main characters is a Danish convert struggling to get by on the margins of Salt Lake society, a significant proportion of the people she encounters were once Mormon, but their children are never baptized. My read on this is that just plain choosing to no longer participate was quite common.

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