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17 Thoughts About Resistance

1—To get this out of the way: There was no good answer to the question of how the Church should have responded to Nazism. There was no safe middle ground between complicit engagement, impotent resistance, and needless death. If letting missionaries train the German basketball team had a .01% chance of making war less likely, then it was worth trying. The truth of the Church’s response to Nazism is not a handful of missionaries playing basketball, but 100,000 LDS soldiers fighting in the war against the Axis powers, with 5,000 dying during the war.

The lesson for today is: Don’t vote for fascists for any reason.

2—The Trump administration is not Nazi Germany. But it’s not entirely not Nazi Germany, either. Here’s a quick 7-point plan for how Republicans can avoid being mistaken for Nazis:

  • Don’t ground your political movement on the Dolchstoßlegende of a stolen election.
  • Don’t attempt to seize power in a violent Putsch after losing an election.
  • Don’t build Konzentrationslager and use them in your propaganda.
  • Don’t have unaccountable secret police terrorize American cities.
  • Don’t install white supremacists in government positions to promote their Herrenvolk ideology.
  • Don’t attempt cultural Gleichschaltung by imposing your will on the media, universities, and industry.
  • Don’t promote fascist parties abroad.
  • (Bonus) Don’t adopt a fascist aesthetic for official government communication.

It’s challenging but not impossible. Every administration prior to the Trump presidency managed it.

3—The good ending is still on the table. For the Church, the good ending means reaching the end of the current political moment with no major schism or loss of membership, still able to minister to members throughout the world and across the political spectrum. And the best way to achieve that is to ignore the Trump administration as long and as fully as possible. Look at other American institutions, such as large companies and leading research universities, which are slowly being sorted into three categories: the silent trying to avoid notice, the complicit profiteers, and those who have been forced into a ruinous conflict with the Trump administration by a threat to their core mission. The smart strategy is to stay in the first category as long as possible. You might find this situation dissatisfying, but the other outcomes are worse.

4—There are scenarios where the Church would have no choice but to condemn government actions and risk a substantial loss of membership, or remain silent and risk the loss of a different segment. These scenarios include the subversion of an election, an attack on a democratic ally, or interference with the operations of the Church itself. These scenarios seem unthinkable, yet the first was already attempted, and the president and vice president have openly proposed the second as recently as [check notes] today. Seizing Greenland would require the Church to either condemn the attack, and risk losing a segment of MAGA members, or remain silent, and risk losing Europe for a generation.

5—Should the Church publicly condemn the mistreatment of immigrants? I would welcome it, but the answer shouldn’t depend on my feelings, but on how it would affect immigrants. Would it make their lives better, or would it invite additional scrutiny of LDS congregations in ways that would make their lives worse? I don’t know. But once made, the choice can’t be undone. A year ago, the Church could exercise its rights and issue statements as a participant in the marketplace of ideas. Today, we’re halfway between a public square and surveillance by a corrupt vindictive unchecked personalist autocracy that’s willing to use the levers of government to persecute its opponents, and we’re learning every day that First Amendment protections are not nearly as strong as we once thought.

6—In addition: We have no idea what anyone else is doing out of public view. We don’t know what private options are foreclosed if the Church is compelled to speak. I can only control what I do and say. Getting upset over someone else’s silence is actively harmful because you don’t know what behind-the-scene moves you’re hindering.

In some Catholic dioceses, priests are preparing to put their lives on the line for their parishioners. And that’s awesome. I wouldn’t want my bishop to do that, because he has to care for his family and minister to some Republican ward members who aren’t ready for that conversation. But there’s nothing stopping you or me from supporting Catholic priests or anyone else. Each member of the body of Christ has its own function, and carping about what someone else isn’t doing is not useful.

7—Does all this sound dissatisfying and decidedly unheroic? That’s the nature of life under fascism. Every act of resistance follows a dozen acts of compromise and accommodation where the cost of resistance wasn’t worth the price. If you would prefer to have better options, stop voting fascists into office.

8—The Church is not a political institution, just like the Juilliard School and Starbucks and the NHL are not political institutions. Each of these entities has a particular mission while operating in various contexts (financial, legal, geographic, etc.), including a political context. These organizations seek to maximize the results of their various missions, not a particular political outcome. If you were drawing graphs, politics would lie along the X axis, not the Y axis. American society is worth living in because of all its non-political institutions, and we need to preserve that.

9—But the Church, like Starbucks and the NHL and the Juilliard School, is concretely embodied in the United States in a way that it was not in 1930s Germany or anywhere else in the world today. For better or worse, what happens in U.S. politics affects the Church unlike political events anywhere else, so the Church has to remain politically aware and engaged.

10—If you’re appalled by what is happening to the United States – and you should be – you should do something about it. But it is a basic category error to expect your favorite grocery chain or sports league to be a vehicle of protest unless it serves its overall mission. Starbucks and the NHL hope to continue attracting fans and customers from across the political spectrum and are only going to get involved in politics if their missions are threatened. The Church is not going to perform your protesting for you, especially not at the cost of hindering its own mission. It will get involved in situations where its missions are threatened. Those situations are so dire and the outcomes at that point are so poor that I hope it never comes to that.

11—The scriptures set an exceedingly high bar for resistance. Perhaps you can find an escape clause from “render unto Caesar.” It’s somewhat harder to get around “We believe in being subject to kings,” although there are some helpful clarifications in D&C 98 and 134. The hardest teaching of all is Paul’s injunction in Romans 13 for Christians to be subject to authorities, who are divinely established – even if the authorities are awful tyrants of the type that existed in Paul’s time. Commenting on this chapter, Dietrich Bonhoeffer wrote:

It is not that Christians serve God when they pay taxes, Paul says, but that those who impose taxes are thereby doing – their! – service to God. Paul does not call Christians to this form of serving God, but to submission and to not owing anyone anything that is due to them. Any opposition, any resistance here would only make clear that Christians have confused the Kingdom of God with a kingdom of this world.

(Of course, Bonhoeffer eventually managed to find a bridge between Romans 13 and participating in a plot on Hitler’s life.)

12—Donald Trump is no Cyrus or Augustus. In terms of scriptural precedents, he is an uncannily accurate incarnation of wicked King Noah. Trump, like Noah, is driven by the “desires of his heart.” Trump’s multiple “wives and concubines” are a matter of public record, while their precise ages remain a matter of controversy. His imposition of new taxes in the form of arbitrary tariffs is unprecedented; compared to some tariffs, Noah’s 20% taxation rate is relatively mild. Trump moves government levers to enrich his family and friends, just like Noah changed the affairs of the kingdom to increase the wealth of his “wives and concubines; and also his priests, and their wives and concubines.” Like Trump, Noah was a lover of luxury and “spacious buildings” ornamented with fine woodwork, gold and silver (plus some brass, copper and ziff). Noah’s building program and wine industry gave the land a superficial prosperity, even as its foundations were rotting. Although Noah was indifferent to the land’s actual security needs, an episode of military success led the people to “boast in their own strength, saying that their fifty could stand against thousands of the Lamanites” and they “did delight in blood, and the shedding of the blood of their brethren, and this because of the wickedness of their king and priests.”

13—You are here.

14—When the prophet Abinadi begins his prophetic ministry in response to Noah’s reign, he doesn’t mention Noah at all. Instead, he condemns the people’s wickedness and calls on them to repent. Then he disappears for two years. When he reappears, he again calls for people to repent of their sins and idolatry and informs Noah that his life is fleeting, but still does not single out Noah for condemnation. In his final confrontation, Abinadi condemns the priests appointed by Noah for failing in their duty to teach the people. Abinadi teaches a basic message of obedience to the Ten Commandments while looking forward to the Savior’s atonement.

15—The prophets and apostles have spoken out multiple names over the last year. In their Conference addresses, they have taught the gospel of repentance, preached obedience, cautioned against idolatry and explained the Atonement. If this isn’t the message you want to hear, you may need to re-evaluate where you situate yourself in the confrontation between Abinadi and the priests of King Noah.

16—Anticipatory despair is not a form of resistance. It makes no sense to say, “Noah has been building spacious buildings for his concubines for years and Abinadi hasn’t said anything yet, so he probably approves of it,” “All Noah does is talk about repentance without mentioning King Noah directly, and that just doesn’t cut it,” “Noah said something once and then disappeared for two years, so he probably went hard core MNGA,” or “The red sash Abinadi chose for his cloak identifies him as a Noah supporter.” Cynical despair is a particularly harmful way to grant yourself permission to do nothing.

17—The cringe resist libs and MWEG moms have been right about everything over the last ten years. If you got it wrong, that’s not unusual. We all get a lot of things wrong. But the first step in repentance is admitting you were wrong, and then changing course.


Comments

30 responses to “17 Thoughts About Resistance”

  1. Thanks for this essay. I appreciate your candor and honesty. Your point 10 seems especially important, but all your points seem valid to me.

    Some church members and maybe even readers here will object to your allusions to 1930s Germany, but I think your allusions are entirely fair and even restrained.

  2. Once again, thank you for speaking out.

  3. Best essay I’ve read on timesandseasons in awhile. There are multiple off-ramps we could’ve collectively taken to avoid our current situation—the Utah saints rallying around McGarrin to upset the electoral college in election 2016, rallying around Romney for impeachment in 2020, more aggressively prosecuting DJT for his mob attack on the capital in 2021, and of course simply voting for the woman over the confirmed rapist in election 2024–but here we are. I personally remain frustrated by the Q15’s maddening silence on current events, but I also acknowledge the hard, realpolitik considerations they must face that you’ve outlined here.

    As a side-note, I recall after the ‘16 election, some comic-book nerd tweeted about how never again can she argue with her fellow nerds about 1) how on earth could Lex Luther could get elected president, and 2) how the highly-advanced Kryptonians could ignore that their planet was in danger till it was too late. The LDS equivalent to that is when I was a youth, I wondered why anyone would vote for the Kingmen in Alma, or support wicked King Noah (as you’ve indicated) in Mosiah, or how the Nephites could repeatedly backslide into viciousness and cruelty so quickly, “in the span of not many years.” Ironically, right when my frustration with the Q15 is at its highest, is also when I most marvel that The Book of Mormon really is true, prophetic, and written for our day.

  4. Clair Ellis

    This is a political screed that will resonate as confirmation with half the public and likewise repel the other half. It’s the equivalent of endorsing a candidate in a testimony meeting. Is this what T&S is now?

  5. There’s a lot I could say, but I’ll stick to this: if it was inappropriate for Sen. Lee to compare Trump to Captain Moroni (and it was) it is equally inappropriate to compare him to King Noah. There is some truth to both comparisons, but they both imply that one side of the political divide is righteous and the other is wicked. We should be able to acknowledge that good people can disagree about political policies.

  6. By the 2024 election, it was pretty clear to those who had ears to hear that the First Presidency did not want members to vote for Trump. But not so clear that those who were going to vote for him anyway had to acknowledge that they were going against prophetic counsel and thus provoke a faith crisis. I imagine that will continue to be their strategy, and I see the wisdom in it. I don’t want the MAGA members of my ward to leave the Church (especially since my ward is politically diverse enough that everyone knows not to talk about politics, so I don’t know who the MAGA members are).

    Right now it’s an act of resistance just to teach the Sermon on the Mount, given that Trump has explicitly and openly rejected it (see his remarks at Charlie Kirk’s funeral). And there was an awful lot of that at the last general conference! Trump is not going to be around much longer, and then there is going to be a battle for the soul of America’s right wing. (Some think Erika Kirk is already trying to make it more faithful to the New Testament–note that Trump was responding to her.) Keeping MAGA members in the Church, where they can continue to be taught the actual teachings of Jesus, may be what’s best for healing American politics as well as accomplishing the real mission of the Church.

  7. RLD, it’s easy to overlook how dramatically our outlook on the Book of Mormon has changed in the last decade. In 2008, Julie opened a post by writing, “Yes, folks, it’s that time again: the dreaded Book of Mormon war chapters are upon us. It’s time for our quadrennial effort to determine why on earth someone would go to so much effort to write the details of long-ago battles in a book that was written for our day.”

    And now we say: Oh. That’s why. Well, this is awful.

    Clair, I would much prefer to post about my weird ideas on Book of Mormon history. Unfortunately the urgent moral issue of our time is the new and unhappy circumstance of being subject to a wicked administration. I’ve tried diligently to empathize with Trump voters, but at this point we have to recognize that the president is doing a lot of wicked and destructive things. It goes beyond policies that one side or the other may disagree with, to intentionally inflicting cruelty for its own sake and delighting in bloodshed.

    Curtis, people need to recognize that one side of the political divide has in fact become wicked, at least at the federal level. Mitt Romney deserves an apology – again – for the criticism he took in 2016 for allegedly currying favor with Trump in return for a cabinet appointment. But now that we’ve seen the alternative, we know that the responsible adults who served in the first Trump administration did their nation a tremendous service by averting disaster (and Romney would have been a much better Secretary of State than Rex Tillerson).

    But those people are gone now. The people who stoke Trump’s worst impulses and who were kept far from him before are now in charge, the Republicans you elected to prevent the worst from happening have utterly failed to stop it, and our country is doing some deeply evil things that justify the historical analogies. Even if the evil doesn’t trouble you, the potential for complete national disaster should.

  8. It’s point 11 that I find particularly interesting. We talk about how the American Revolution had to happen so the gospel would have a space to be free enough to be restored. And we claim that the revolutionaries were on the right side and doing good. But we haven’t drawn a line where it’s acceptable to revolt vs “being subject to kings”.

  9. The late, lamented Scott Adams explained the political divide as “one screen, two movies,” and that’s clearly what’s going on here. I don’t see the current administration as particularly wicked (or righteous) and I certainly don’t see it intentionally inflicting cruelty for its own sake or delighting in bloodshed. I don’t expect to be able to convince y’all to see the “movie” the way I do, but could you drop the self-righteousness and condescension and stop saying people seeing the other “movie” are wicked?

  10. Your first bullet point and the First presidency’s counsel are the primary reasons why I didn’t vote for Trump in 2024.

    That said, while I agree with some of your criticisms I’m not convinced that Trump is a modern King Noah–and I certainly don’t believe his “concubines” are any more indicative of him being Noah than those of Bill Clinton or JFK. In fact, I think the marked difference between Trump and the others is that he’s been true to his wife while serving as POTUS.

    Also, I’m not convinced that Trump intended for some of his goon-like followers to “storm the castle.” I admit that his “stop the steal” rhetoric (which I hated) fueled the fire. But even so, are we willing to condemn the left for its rhetoric vis-a-vis the George Floyd riots the previous summer? At least 25 people lost their lives–no to mention the 2 billion in property damages.

    So I guess what I’m saying is that all too often we see what we’re primed to see based on our values. Who can calculate the horrific scale of loss caused by the destruction of the family? And, oh, how the left has proudly carried the torch on that march over the proverbial cliff. And yet how is it the so many folks view it as a net good?

  11. But there’s actually not a “both sides” to a lot that’s going on, and trying to find one just forces yourself into some bad places.

    There’s not a way to look at it that makes selling presidential pardons okay. Warrantless searches are not okay. Violently detaining protesters is not okay. Threatening friendly democratic allies with territorial seizure is not okay. Keeping seized foreign funds out of the reach of the U.S. Treasury is not okay. Arresting people based on their skin color is not okay. Detaining Native Americans for suspected immigration violations and then losing track of them is not okay. Letting children in Africa starve and die of illness while the food and medicine they need rots in warehouses is not okay. Destroying the alliance that has protected us and our democratic allies for 80 years while a war is going on is not okay. Sending people to foreign torture prisons without a trial is not okay. Building concentration camps to make people suffer as they await deportation is not okay.

    If you can’t see this, you’re not seeing the other side of the screen. You’re staring at a blank wall, not reality.

    Jack, what do you even mean by “are we willing to condemn the left”? The George Floyd riots were 5.5 years ago, while Trump was still president. George Floyd’s killer was tried and convicted. No Democratic politician of any significance promoted looting. There is no way that rioting in 2020 is the “both sides” to what the U.S. government is doing today as a matter of policy.

    Were you seriously expecting a multiple convicted felon, a long-time friend of Jeffrey Epstein, someone found culpable for rape in 2023, to strengthen the family? There was a choice to make in 2024, and as a 3rd-party voter, you made a disastrous choice. Now that you’ve seen the evidence of the consequences, you need to rethink the evidence and thought processes that led you to that choice.

  12. The good news is, it’s not November 2028, and our only choices are not voting for Trump’s heir who will continue his assault on the Constitution and voting for a Democrat. Conservatives voting for Democrats is not a sustainable solution to our crisis of democracy anyway. My plea to any conservatives who might read this is to get involved in the Republican party, vote in your primary, and give us better candidates. More people like Spencer Cox and Mitt Romney, and fewer people like Mike Lee. If your current representative shows any signs of being willing to stand up to Trump, let them know you’ll have their back. A two-party democracy cannot survive without two parties that support it.

    @Jack: I wouldn’t be too confident of Trump’s faithfulness. He’s surrounded himself with women of a particular “type” that he apparently finds attractive (to the point that cosmetic surgeons talk about “Mar-a-Lago Face”). His wife isn’t around much. Maybe at his age it’s a look-but-don’t-touch situation, but nothing else in his behavior makes me think he’s either changed his values or learned self-control.

    @Jonathan: I’d say the value of the war chapters as a guide for soldiers who don’t want to lose their souls was already pretty clear in 2008. One of the key standards, “Allow defeated enemies to surrender, and treat them decently when they do” was under attack then just as it is now.

  13. Fabulous post, Jonathan. I think you nailed it.

  14. Jonathan,

    I’m on a larger playing field–so to speak. I’m saying the sense from the left — generally, not just politicians — was much more sympathetic towards the George Floyd protests than it was towards the breach of the Capitol. “Yes this is bad–but these people are angry,” was the rhetoric that I remember. Whereas with the breach it was more like, “this is the worst thing to happen since 911.”

    So much of it is a matter of bias–and as much as I admire your abilities as a scholar I don’t think you or I or anyone is immune to that sort of thing.

  15. @Jack, the Black Lives Matter protestors were trying to make the political point that police kill too many Black people. Some of the proposals for fixing that made sense (banning chokeholds) and some didn’t (defunding the police) but that could be worked out through the democratic process. 93%-96% of the protests were peaceful, but some tried to make the same point by rioting, causing significant property damage and some deaths. That was both wrong and counterproductive, and I join you in condemning it.

    The January 6th protestors started out trying to make the political point that Trump had really won the election, a proposition that was empirically false but they had the right to argue for. But a substantial number of them then attempted to violently overthrow the government of the United States. Killing at least the Vice President was an explicit goal (“Hang Mike Pence”) and it seems likely that they would have killed the Speaker of the House and others if they had had the opportunity. Now, it was a poorly thought-out coup: how exactly preventing the ceremonial counting of the electoral votes was going to make Trump president was never clear. But that doesn’t change the fact that their goal was to end the democratic process and install a President by force in defiance of the law and the Constitution.

    No, those are not equivalent. But what’s more important is that while Trump attempted to stop the BLM rioters, he spent the afternoon of January 6 watching cable news and apparently hoping the rioters would succeed. He later showed his support for the rioters by pardoning all of them, even those who assaulted police officers. The message was clear: Trump supporters may use violence to support his cause, and he will protect them from any consequences. We’ve seen him keep that promise in Minneapolis this week. That should be completely unacceptable.

  16. Right, there is really zero equivalence between the BLM protesters (or rioters) and the Jan. 6 insurrectionists. It is unfair and dishonest to treat them as comparable.

  17. I’m not saying they’re equivalent–I’m saying they’re both really bad. And whichever of the two is judged to be worse largely depends on one’s political bias. It’s not a bad litmus test, IMO.

  18. The relative culpability of BLM rioters vs. Jan 6 insurrectionists is, or should be, a matter for juries, judges, and ultimately the Lord. I can work with “they’re both really bad.”

    The important thing is that Trump disagrees, which is why he pardoned the Jan 6 insurrectionists. He’s just fine with political violence as long as it’s his supporters doing it. He’s using the powers of the presidency (and beyond) to support violence. Again, that should be completely unacceptable.

    This is no time for “what-abouts.”

  19. A Non-E Mous

    “I’m not saying they’re equivalent–I’m saying they’re both really bad. And whichever of the two is judged to be worse largely depends on one’s political bias. It’s not a bad litmus test, IMO.”

    If political bias is to be tested by some reference to policy (rather than a person) than I have to be your counter-example. The Republican platform fit mine to a tee, and even Trump Admin I was, as a policy matter, a pretty good four years in my view (with exceptions that reflect my very Mormon background).

    It is incredibly easy for me to see riots about people upset about police killings to be wrong, but that January 6th, which as an assault on the democratic foundations of our nation (the vanguard of the protest were insurrectionists in the truest sense, explicitly trying to interrupt the peaceful transfer of power), was so much worse than the Floyd riots.

    “if it was inappropriate for Sen. Lee to compare Trump to Captain Moroni (and it was) it is equally inappropriate to compare him to King Noah.”

    The biggest problem with Senator Lee comparing Trump to Captain Moroni is that you have to suspend all disbelief to see any likeness between them whatsoever, while the case that the way he runs the government is much like King Noah is a pretty easy one to make.

  20. You might enjoy David Dennison’s Substack “Aged Well.” All-time champion translator of the right-leaning half of the country for liberals. I could never do it so well.

    My only question for you is: what do you plan to do after this? If a Democrat wins 2028 what should she do?

  21. Jesus was executed for being a political threat. For speaking out, causing a disturbance at the temple (a site of frequent violence and insurrection), entering Jerusalem like a King, creating a following. He was not executed for saying “render to Caesar” (which was actually a separatist comment, not a neutral one.)

    Love of neighbor is not a private sentiment, it is a public ethic. Politics are an amplified way of living out the second greatest commandment- to love your brother as yourself. Politics are HOW we do or do not live up to that commandment. Politics are enacting how we treat each other.

    Silence in the face of tyranny does not protect the innocent, it protects the abuser. Always has. We are guilty.

    Comparing the Church to Juilliard or Starbucks is a false equivalence. The Church claims divine moral authority. It preaches the God-given right to Liberty and celebrates the inspiration of our constitution and country that uniquely became the incubator for the restoration. Yet somehow we lose our backbone when any sacrifice is required (institutionally) to defend or speak up about that liberty when it is denied to others. That isn’t prudence or “strategy”, it’s moral cowardice. And I wonder, is a cowardly organization that turns its back on its values worth protecting? What is it protecting? What values?

    Yes, our institution must function, but function to do what? Always take and never give? Sit on the sidelines? Survival purchased through moral abdication is not really surviving, it’s a type of hell.

    The gospel was never about optimizing institutional longevity or supporting the church no matter what. Isn’t survival at all costs a “natural man” quality? Shouldn’t a divine organization be about bearing the torch and lighting the beacons instead, aware that no unhallowed hand can touch it?

    Sadly, since our early days of persecution, we developed an extremely high survivor mentality that’s probably better described as a complex.

    The gospel is supposed to be about truth spoken plainly, truth that cannot be purchased at any cost (social or otherwise). That’s the bravery of Abinidi, of Esther, of Jesus, of Peter and Paul, of the lamenting Prophets of old, of any and all the disciples, apostles and martyrs. That is what a P/prophet is, one who speaks truth to a culture of lies, regardless of the consequences.

    Your use of Abinadi fails on its own terms. Abinadi did not falter. He did not preach abstractions and hope the king would connect the dots. Today, both sides of the US political isle think church doctrine supports THEM, yet both can’t be true. There are churches and politicians as well as all the confusing voices in the media and in an explosion of online chatter creating a swill of information and misinformation. The father of all lies must be reveling in it and growing stronger and stronger with misinformation in a global megaphone while God’s servants, prudently self-censor. They hide behind corporate doublespeak and trite platitudes of happier days gone by or sing praises to the happy “good shepherd” Jesus and feel the warm fuzzies. Meanwhile, danger and lies grow stronger and stronger, people suffer, livery corrodes.

    Abinidi spoke plainly, publicly, and to his martyrdom. So the question is unavoidable. Which LDS Prophet has shown that kind of boldness in light of similar (lethal) stakes? Invoking Abinadi to justify strategic silence drains his story of all moral force.

    History does not remember those who waited to see how things played out, who rode it out in silence. As a matter of fact, when under persecution, I remember, with pain and tears, the silence of my friends.

    Maybe we don’t need to act for history’s sake, maybe we just need to act on our convictions. It’s quite simple.

    Did we really wait 7,000 years for our turn on earth to “shrink and shun the fight” and sit back with a measured a “proactive wait and see”? If so, what’s the purpose of even being here on earth- just hang out on the other side of the veil and strum harps and look askance at the world’s problems with a condescending “tisk, tisk” with your feet on the footstool of a cloud.

  22. The prophets spoke plainly 30 years ago on the subject that has caused more damage to American lives than anything else. Let’s try to embrace that counsel first–because if we don’t it won’t matter what else the prophets might warn against.

  23. @Jack, I vividly recall when SSM came to Canada and guess what SLC or “the prophets” said about it? NOTHING. When it came to the US, you’d think the world was falling apart. I also vividly recall our Bishop having to read a letter from the First Presidency and even he said, “where was something like this when SSM came here?” It’s good to know God only cares about “American lives” and their “damage”. The rest of the world be damned but not the US! It’s really, really good to know about that.

  24. @Hoosier: It’s less important to me that our next president be a Democrat than that they be pro-democracy, by which I mean supporting the Constitution, the rule of law, classical liberalism, etc. Not someone who sees Orban as a role model, let alone Putin. It seems very unlikely that the next GOP nominee will fit the bill, but I’d love to be wrong about that. And I’m confident many Republicans are pro-democracy when they aren’t blinded by partisan loyalty. Hopefully that will come out once Trump fades from the scene.

    A pro-democracy president can stop doing damage to the Republic. But in the long run, any changes they make can be reversed by the next demagogue. So the real key is having a pro-democracy majority in Congress, hopefully bipartisan, that is willing to act. That’s…not encouraging.

    Ideally, they would systematically go through Trump’s abuses of power and see whether and how they can be prevented from happening again. The founders tried to limit the damage a demagogue president could do, so some of it is getting back to their vision. Strengthen Congress’s power of the purse, so the President can’t unilaterally use the federal budget to advance their agenda or punish their adversaries. Strengthen Congress’s war powers, so the President can’t unilaterally invade and conquer Greenland (I can’t believe we’re even talking about this).

    Some of it is fixing laws. Take away the President’s power to set emergency tariffs (assuming the Supreme Court doesn’t do it first). Put stricter limits on the kinds of emergencies that justify calling out the National Guard or active duty military.

    Of course, this runs head-first into the Supreme Court’s decades-long agenda to increase Presidential power (at least when a Republican is President). That’s a problem. And not everything stupid or even wrong can be made illegal, so a lot depends on reestablishing norms. I’m not optimistic about that. In fact I’m not optimistic about any of this, so a lot will depend on not electing presidents who will follow Trump’s example and abuse power like he has, on either side.

    Then we can get back to arguing about the future of our country–and just in time, since on our present course I think there’s a real risk that over the next decade or two AI will impoverish tens of millions of white-collar workers (including me) while minting a few dozen trillionaires. I’m sure that debate will be vigorous and sometimes downright nasty. But hopefully it will be under the terms and limits set by the Constitution.

  25. Critchlow,

    I was talking about the destruction of the family–not SSM per se–as a response to the idea that the prophets aren’t talking about the things that really matter. When 20 million some odd people take to the streets to protest George Floyd’s death and nary a tumbleweed blows by in token of the 70-80% fatherlessness rate in the inner cities–then we’ve got a real problem. As sad as George Floyd’s passing was–we’ve really got things turned upside down.

    Used to think that perhaps the worst was in the past–what with the mid-twentieth century behind us. But I don’t know anymore–I’m worried that the worst is yet to come. And that if we continue to place the wants of adults ahead of the needs of children the West will implode. Maybe not today or tomorrow–but certainly in the not too distant future. Sounds apocalyptic I know–but there it is.

  26. @Jack-The “destruction” of the family has been going on since pre-earth life when 1/3 of God’s children chose Satan, besides God instituted polygamy and look at that whole mess. We should be grateful that temples exist to unite families

  27. Regarding #3 above:
    There aren’t just 3 categories. There are four. The fourth is successfully pushing back. Right now, many who are pushing back successfully in the courts. ICE has been successfully blocked and chased out of certain areas. TACO, just like other bullies. Why is t this an option?

    Re: #14- if the church were to be like Abinidi and didn’t want to call out Noah or Trump, why doesn’t it call out its own bishops and people for teaching false doctrines? There are so many MAGA bishops, stale presidents, etc.

  28. Jack of Hearts

    “When 20 million some odd people take to the streets to protest George Floyd’s death and nary a tumbleweed blows by in token of the 70-80% fatherlessness rate in the inner cities–then we’ve got a real problem.”

    Ah yes, the fantasy world where that rate of fatherlessness has no connection whatsoever with the racialized carceral state and its police killings. To quote Jonathan, “If you can’t see this, you’re not seeing the other side of the screen. You’re staring at a blank wall, not reality.”

    Thank you once again, Jonathan, for continually making this case. It’s heartening to hear from others seeing the same thing.

  29. I abandoned the GOP in 2016 when Trump became the nominee, and have been struggling ever since to understand how the well-intentioned Republicans I know don’t see what I do. The mainstream media continues to treat each new outrage as the thing that will divide Trump’s base, and each time they experience some cognitive dissonance until right-wing influencers supply them with an alternative narrative that allows them to assimilate the outrage and continue on even more committed than before. The only thing that ever seems to make a difference is economic pain. (It’s hard to not conclude that they don’t care about democracy or freedom; all they care about is money. But it’s also easy for me to care more about democracy than the immediate state of the economy since I’m doing okay financially.)

    Is this time different? Am I hearing right that people who voted for Trump in 2016 and even in 2024 are now changing their minds? If so, is it because prices are still high or do they realize things actually are taking an alarmingly fascist turn? And how widespread is this—or is it just a few individuals and not representative of any wider awakening?

  30. Thanks for all the comments. Tune in tomorrow for a guest post from a different perspective.

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