This post by Brian Stubbs, a well-respected linguist with numerous publications on the history of Uto-Aztecan languages, is a response to an earlier post by Jonathan Green from 2019.
In Times and Seasons, January 6, 2019, Jonathan Green published a post “Uto-Aztecan and Semitic: Too Much of a Good Thing.” A commenter, Steve J, asked: “I hope Stubbs will at some point address the concerns expressed in the post.” Steve’s hope is justified and a response is rightfully due. I did not learn of the post until long after it was written, thus the delay.
Green is kind and fair in his opening paragraphs on my background and credentials. Later in the comments, he is again more than decent in my defense. So this is nothing against Green, only a clarification that he and many readers may appreciate.
The research involves Uto-Aztecan (UA), one language family of some 30 related languages from the Utes in the north to the Aztecs in the south. UA contains a substantial amount of Semitic and Egyptian. Because some answers to the concerns are addressed in former publications, we refer to those past works with these abbreviations: Uto-Aztecan: A Comparative Vocabulary (2011) as UACV, which was favorably reviewed (Hill 2012) and praised by all UA specialists; Exploring the Explanatory Power of Semitic and Egyptian in Uto-Aztecan (2015) as Exploring; the 2nd edition of Changes in Languages from Nephi to Now (2020) as Changes in Languages; and “Answering the Critics in 44 Rebuttal Points” (2020) as “Answering,” published on the Interpreter Foundation website. All but Changes in Languages are available online.
Under his number 1, Green’s concern is that Semitic’s morphological variety in verb forms makes finding purported matches easier. Nouns are simple, but verbs are indeed more complex. However, even in that complexity, certain forms are more apt to survive or be borrowed than others, and it is those very forms that we find in Uto-Aztecan (UA). Verbal morphology is typically simplified in language mixes (Velupillai 2015, 29), such that participles and 3rd person forms (he/she) are the more frequently borrowed, and that is what we find in UA. No 1st or 2nd person (I, you) verb forms are found. Hebrew ya’amin-o ‘he believes it’ becomes UA *yawamino ‘believe it’. The regular sound change of ’ (glottal stop) becoming ‘w’ is established by some 20 other instances. The pairs’ length puts its probability of matching by chance at one in 17 million (given the sound correspondences and 1/5 for 4 vowels and 1/13 for 4 consonants all multiplied together; vowels are pronounced like Latin, Spanish, and most languages, but not English).
Another concern expressed is that drawing on Aramaic and other Semitic forms increases the possibilities of random correlations. Not really, and not nearly enough to annul proper methodology (the comparative method). Whenever a new Semitic language or Indo-European language is discovered, comparisons with the related languages are looked at to see how this new discovery best fits the known languages (“Answering” number 5), and the newcomer is often a combination of similarities: some things like this language, others like that, etcetera, which is what Exploring (2015) explores. Furthermore, when many forms fit Aramaic, and not Hebrew, we are reminded that Aramaic was the language of Abraham, Isaac, Rebekah, Jacob, Leah, Rachel, and Laban, the Aramean (Genesis 25:20) before the later Israelites adopted Canaanite (Hebrew being Israel’s dialect of Canaanite). The Aramaic forms likely came from Israel’s original language, which was Aramaic, not Hebrew. Several Semitic scholars argue that northern Israel maintained Aramaic, while adding Hebrew / Canaanite to result in varying degrees of bilingualism in the north. Also note Manasseh’s northeast quadrant next to the Arameans (discussed more in Changes in Languages, pp. 44-46; and “Answering” number 14). Most of the UA forms align with Hebrew or Aramaic forms, Israel’s Semitic languages, not other Semitic languages.
Green suggests that with so much to choose from, it would seem “impossible not to find cognates.” Actually, early in my career I looked for Semitic or Egyptian in several language families: Athapaskan, Yuman, Pomoan, Wintuan, Maiduan, Shastan, Yana, Kiowa-Tanoan, Keresan, Zuni, Salishan, Karuk, Algic, Siouan, Caddoan, Iroquoian, Muskogean, and Uto-Aztecan in North America; and Mayan, Totonacan, Mixe-Zoquean, Otomanguean, and a few isolates in Central America; and Chibchan, Cariban, Tupian, Paez, Arawakan, Aymaran, Witotoan, Quechuan, Matacoan, Pano-Tacanan, Guahiboan, Barbacoan, Macro-Je, Jivaroan, Movima, Zaparoan, and others in South America, but I did not find such an array of similarities in dozens of other language families, like exists in Uto-Aztecan, so then I specialized in UA. If I were prone to imagine or see what was not there, it would have happened long before UA.
Green also states: “the numerous proposed Egyptian cognates are troubling, as they increase the suspicion that a similar list could be found for almost any language.” The comparative method would not allow that, and a similar list was not found for the other hundreds of languages looked at.
Another concern is that “the long list of cognates is actually a problem,” calling for a shorter list of stricter criteria. Identifying an established system of sound correspondences (each phoneme / sound subject to a consistent / predicted change) is the ultimate strictness required by the linguistic comparative method, which eliminates general similarities or non-cognates, and the longer the list of cognates the stronger the case. I have never heard of objecting to a long list of cognates, except by one who totally misunderstood what was being compared (“Answering” numbers 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 15, 18).
Under his number 2, Green also wonders how a language’s basic vocabulary is found in the language mix, but not its accompanying grammar. Actually, that result is common in language mixtures. Media Lingua or Chaupi Quichua has almost exclusively Spanish vocabulary but Ecuadorian Quichua grammar (Velupillai 2015, 402); Ma’a/Mbugu has Cushitic basic vocabulary and primarily Bantu grammar; and Angloromani adopted largely English grammar and Romani lexicon. Velupillai (2015, 71) calls these G-L mixed languages, the grammar coming mostly from one language and the Lexicon (words) mostly from the other. The 3rd paragraph of Wikipedia’s statement on “Creole Language” describes what may have happened in UA: “The lexicon of a creole language is largely supplied by the parent languages, particularly that of the most dominant group in the social context … On the other hand, the grammar that has evolved often has new or unique features that differ substantially from those of the parent languages.” If some Lehites were dominant culturally in their successive contact situations, we might expect a good amount of their vocabulary to be incorporated or retained, but little of their language’s grammar to persevere through contacts with the other populations. Then it would not be a matter of adopting pronouns (I, you, he, etc) as Green surmised, but that the Lehites kept their own pronouns and let the less dominant adopt and adapt. Grammar happens more subconsciously than lexical choices (see Changes in Languages, Appendix B “The Subconscious Mind’s Role in Language Acquisition”), so developments in grammar are essentially out of everyone’s control, and the grammar of the larger population(s) may be more influential. Reduplication (for plurals, repetition, intensification) is also more common in mixed languages (Velupillai 2015, 332), and that is exactly what we find in UA, that the fairly minimal reduplication in both Egyptian and Semitic is multiplied in UA.
In the second paragraph under his number 2, Green raises a valid issue that has puzzled me too—significant amounts of both Semitic and Egyptian vocabulary in the same semantic spheres. It does not invalidate the reality of the cognates nor would it necessarily suggest that they were “fully bilingual in both Egyptian and a form of Hebrew.” Yet it does make one wonder how it happened, whether regularly reading records in Egyptian gradually brought some of that vocabulary into their language (as reading Latin brought Latin vocabulary into English via Latin’s dominance in academia for centuries) or whether other matters merit consideration, like facts that the leaders in the house of Joseph (Manasseh, Ephraim) were native speakers of Egyptian and their family records may have started (in Egyptian) before Hebrew was a written language, etcetera (more fully discussed in Changes in Languages, pp. 32-43). Also consider that UA preserves the phonology of ancient Egyptian better than Coptic does (a later form of Egyptian; Exploring, p. 343).
Also under number 2, Green asks another good question: “are they [reconstructions] merely schematic representations, a type of intellectual game, or do they represent a linguistic and historical reality?” The answer is both to some degree, which is why it is a good question. Reconstructed forms are linguists’ best guesses at what the ancient form looked like, and they are right or nearly right, most of the time, because of an understanding of how sounds change and which directions of change are most likely, etcetera, after taking hundreds of language histories into account. However, new information does and should change opinions. In Indo-European, for example, reconstructions have changed over the years, often due to new information from newly discovered Indo-European languages.
One curiosity is that Green mentions the single parallel of Quechua kumar ‘sweet potato’ and Polynesian kumara / kumala ‘sweet potato’ as evidence for contact (with which I agree), but sees UA’s 1500 Near-East parallels as not likely to “pan out.” Progressively more scholars are accepting the ‘sweet potato’ pair as a genuine loan. Regardless the present state of DNA evidence for that contact situation, some DNA evidence between Uto-Aztecan peoples and Near-East Arab populations (akin to Israel’s gene pool) has emerged consistent with the language tie (see “Answering” number 27).
Under his number 3, I do not understand his objection to English as a parallel example because English retains most of its core vocabulary from the original Old English / Germanic. Exactly! Similarly, the Lehite element in UA retained much of its core Semitic vocabulary, while absorbing from neighboring / intruding languages. He likely sees Lehite as a foreign entity coming in to mix with an already established language, while I see it the other way, as other languages successively influencing an established Lehite language. Thus, Lehites kept / retained their own pronouns and much vocabulary, while contact influences regularly diminished the percentages. Green is correct that Yiddish is basically a Germanic language with Semitic and other elements contributing some vocabulary, so his objection to Yiddish might be understandable, though again the original language of those Mediterranean / European Jews was Hebrew and some Aramaic, of which they kept some, but not a lot. While modern English retains only 15% of the Old English vocabulary and Yiddish shows a similarly low percentage of Semitic, the UA vocabulary may be 35-40% from the Semitic and Egyptian components (double the other two), and in the pervasive cognates (that are in 25 or more of the 30 UA languages) it is 70%. More to the point, only 26 UA cognate sets appear in all 11 branches of UA languages, and 25 of 26 (96%) of those are of the Semitic-Egyptian data. I merely mentioned (for lay readers) that English and Yiddish are examples of language mixing wherein a small percentage of the original language is kept, yet UA retains more than either of those languages of whatever component we are highlighting in each.
It is worth responding to a few comments as well. Steve J’s first comment is cited above. In his second comment, he gently counters what Franklin had said in the previous comment: that I had reached a conclusion and then looked for evidence. As stated earlier, a search in more than 50 language families typically turned up nothing, but caused a focus on UA, and as Steve J noted, I was totally surprised to see as much Aramaic and Egyptian as Hebrew.
Clark Goble also hits the nail on the head regularly: even with “a completely compelling argument, the implications of saying something good about it would be damaging career wise.” He also addresses the transoceanic evidence for the chicken and attending controversialities, even when done by non-Latter-Day Saint scholars, and the magnification of opposition when done by LDS scholars.
Some commenters were curious what non-LDS linguists’ assessments might be. Those assessments are listed in both Changes in Languages (Appendix J) and “Answering the Critics” (number 40 and note 37). Roger William Wescott (President of the Linguistic Association of Canada and the United States, author of 500 articles and 40 books) spoke well of my work. David H. Kelley (Harvard PhD who published in anthropology, linguistics, Uto-Aztecan, and contributed to the decipherment of the Mayan glyphs) said upon receiving an early draft sent by John Sorenson: “The thick thing came in the mail and I did not want to tackle it, but dutifully opened it, intending to look at a page or two. However, I started to read and ended up reading the whole book. It is the most interesting and significant piece of research I have seen in years.” Mary Ritchie Key of UC Davis lauded the work. Of the 25 UAnists that I sent the work to, five top specialists in Uto-Aztecan, PhDs in linguistics, told me such things as “a strong case, sound, its correspondences in order,” etcetera, but privately, not publicly. The others were silent, did not want to say anything. Four years later, two linguists (Rogers and Hansen) tried to take it down, but the article “Answering the Critics” lists 44 reasons why their objections do not “pan out,” except Hansen was right on one point, and of course adjustments will continue, but no one has come close to a substantive argument against the case as a whole. The dozens of Uto-Aztecanists that I see annually at the UA conferences are friends, they have the work, and can mull over it as they wish. No need to push friends to respond or review something that they’d rather not and put them in the no-win position that Clark Goble described above. Time will tell. If it is valid, time will have it rising above all efforts to the contrary. If it is not valid, I would not want it to survive. Furthermore, LDS linguists are as capable to judge matters as well as non-LDS, even if they might be more open-minded to transoceanic, though each LDS linguist was also doubtful upon hearing about it, until he/she scrutinized the case; in fact, two of those originally doubtful LDS linguists (Robertson and Elzinga) were convinced upon examination and wrote positive reviews.
Probabilities are tremendously in its favor. For example, semantic combinations, like Egyptian ‘serpent, partner’ to UA ‘snake, twin’ (Exploring, number 332; Changes in Languages, p. 68). What is the chance that two meanings so different (serpent and partner) would also be found in the corresponding UA word, meaning ‘snake, twin’. And there are many others.
Most impressive is that nine phonological questions in UA have never been explained in the 100 years since UA was demonstrated by Edward Sapir (1913, 1915). Then after the underlying Semitic and Egyptian components were identified, the Semitic-Egyptian data explain seven of the nine (Exploring, pp. 306-322; and “Answering” number 23). That is astounding! For example, one of those is the solution to why Tarahumara reflects UA *t- as both r- and t-, about half in each category for more than 40 items. Curiously, the previously unexplained variation is explained by the UA data’s alignment with Semitic and Egyptian r- vs. t-/d-. The probability of such an alignment by chance is like guessing 40 coin tosses in a row, or 1 in a trillion (1/2 multiplied to the 40th power). That kind of explanatory power is impossible, unless the case is valid.
Jonathan Green’s second large comment astutely summarizes publication challenges. He is right, that the audience for UA materials is very small. Five of us research in the whole language family of comparative UA; maybe 30-40 others work on a UA language; and maybe a few hundred others care or would be interested in reading anything on UA. Indeed, publishers must consider what will make them money; UA will not. Therefore, I self-publish. If I were to wait for a publisher to be willing to lose the money, I may expire first.
Regarding Clark Goble’s astute observations on transoceanic and Book-of-Mormon-friendly research, there is no doubt that if a reviewer is “working back from a presumed conclusion” or is biased, any solid work can be framed to sound bad, and given that option, what chance is there for anything with implications favoring the Book of Mormon in secular academia? I know of only 15 linguists (7 LDS and 8 non-LDS) who have considered the whole case (no small task) and all of them came to positive conclusions. The two negative reviewers, by their statements, obviously missed much and did not read many sections, so they can hardly be counted among the scrutinizers. When enough other linguists consider the whole case and are willing to admit in print that Semitic and Egyptian solve what has not been solved in UA through the intervening 100 years from Sapir (1915) to Exploring (2015), then those voices and the several dimensions that defy chance probabilities may raise the future question: “Why did it take so long?” Until then, if it is truth, more truth will continue emerging and only strengthen the case, as has been happening since publishing UACV (2011) and Exploring (2015) and Changes in Languages (2020).
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Thank you very much for your responses, Dr. Stubbs. Your work is quite remarkable.
As an aside, this piece made me miss Clark Goble.
Brian, thanks for the response. I can’t do much more at the moment beyond pointing to my original post, linked at the top.
Hoosier, that was my response too: I really miss Clark.
Thank you, Jonathan. And thank you Hoosier for your kind comment. Per both of you, I came to admire Clark Goble also, simply from his comments and writings, tho I never met him. I am also busy today, listening and delivering a presentation via zoom to the international Uto-Aztecan conference in Mexico (this year). With a little luck, this tech-challenged chap will hopefully get thru it, and tomorrow I’ll have time to check and interact. Again, thank you both.
As I have said before, I can’t find a way to argue against the massive data presented by Brian. It’s one thing to make an assertion. It’s another to back it up with hard data. Stubbs backs it up in spades.
John S. Robertson
Brian, thanks for the clarifications. I would only add one additional note.
Calculating the likelihood of words being related is going to be quite a bit more complicated than you suggest for a couple of reasons. One is that consonants and vowels aren’t distributed randomly in the lexicon, but instead have an uneven distribution and co-occurrence restrictions. Another reason is that hypothesized sound changes or semantic drift create the opportunity for multiple draws against the (non-radomly distributed) vowels and consonants.
For example, say you’re compiling a list of cognates for English “mother” from an imaginary Indo-European family known only from modern dialects. It seems obvious to connect Spanish “madre,” although it means admitting both dental stops and dental fricatives as the second consonant. And then there’s Albanian “motra,” The word means “sister,” but seems clearly related, and the semantic shift from “mother” to “sister” isn’t a far reach and is attested elsewhere. So now we’re giving ourselves a second chance by looking at “sister” words, too. And then there’s French “maitre,” with a sequences of consonants that appears to match right where we want them, and the meaning “master” could easily reflect semantic shift from “mother” to “master (of the household)” (in this version of history, French has sadly gone extinct and its word for “mother” is unrecorded, as the language is only known from a word list recorded by a tourist visiting Paris in 1927).
So calculating the odds of words being related seems much more uncertain than your examples indicate, and the high precision of the numbers in your discussion actually make me more hesitant to accept your argument. We know from well-attested examples that phonetics and semantics do all kinds of crazy things in the real world, but once we admit that (real) possibility, the number of potential cognates, both real and imaginary, grows tremendously.
Also, I’m sorry the comment system is misbehaving. As of now, I believe it’s working, whatever warnings it shows, and reloading the page should show that a comment has been recorded.
Brian was kind enough to provide me with a pre-publication copy of his proposal many years ago and my interactions with him are what caused me to delve deep into historical linguistics myself.
I am quite amused these days when people criticize the fact that Brian self-published this proposal rather than going through the peer review process. The reason that this is amusing is because I once shared that view and after investing years of work into searching for and documenting what I am convinced is the source language for the Egyptian cognates in Uto-Aztecan, I submitted my work for peer review to Lingua Aegyptia. I knew that the case that I had documented was accurate and convincing, but my fear was that they would reject the proposal on its premise without conducting a proper peer review.
As I waited seven long months for their response I became more and more pleased because I knew through my very limited communications with them that they were doing an official peer review and I knew how strong the evidence was that I had presented.
The response that I ultimately received from Antonio Loprieno makes it clear that no amount of linguistic evidence will ever be enough to get proposals like mine or Brian’s published through peer review without corroboration by other scientific fields:
Dear Mr. Anderson,
Thank you very much for submitting your manuscript to Lingua Aegyptia. Your manuscript has gone through the peer review procedure, and I regret to say that the Editorial Board has decided against its publication.
The reasons for this rejection lie in the mixed feelings expressed in the peer reviews. On the one hand, some colleagues emphasized „the very professional presentation, the erudition, and the abundant use of comparative material“ documented by your article. On the other hand, peers complained about „the overall implausibility of a direct historical connection“ between Late Bronze-Age Late Egyptian and any modern linguistic group in North America. In a more general sense, reviewers remarked that linguistic similarity can rely either on areal linguistics (extremely unlikely in the case of Amerindian and Afroasiatic), or else on documented historical ties (equally unlikely for Yuman-Cochimi and Late Egyptian). Thus, the background of any prima facie similarities (which your article presents very well) appears to be somewhat elusive.
For these reasons, and in spite of the impeccable linguistic argument, the Editorial Board unanimously rejected the publication.
I wish you all the best for your future academic endeavors.
Sincerely yours, A. Loprieno
Editorial Board of Lingua Aegyptia
In the end the only choice is to self publish
Thank you, Beau, for the comment. And Jonathan, you are right “that phonetics and semantics do all kinds of crazy things in the real world”; however, the comparative method’s requirement for a system of sound correspondences for each phoneme in each language greatly narrows what can be accepted among all those crazy maybes. I might add, that in Exploring the Explanatory Power of Semitic and Egyptian in Uto-Aztecan, I only include reasonable semantic drift considerations in just 10% of the sets, and those sets I mark with iddddua, an acronym for “if desired, delay differing definitions until acceptance”—perhaps divulging a confidence that acceptance is in its future. The other 90% are quite equitable. You, Jonathan, are obviously learned in language matters, and Exploring is freely available online. Download it and look through it, as you may be one among those able to appreciate it. Speaking of semantics / meanings, fifteen unusual semantic pairs are on pp. 342-3. The article mentions the Egyptian word meaning both ‘serpent’ and ‘partner’, and its phonological match in UA also meaning both ‘snake’ and ‘twin’. Besides that unusual pair of meanings in both Egyptian and UA, the other 14 unusual semantic combination matches are also impressive. After looking through the cognate sets (pp. 65-302), note the ability of Semitic and Egyptian to explain several phonological puzzles (apparent exceptions) not solved in the century from Sapir to Exploring (1915-2015) on pp. 303-319. That is exactly what happened in Indo-European (IE), the apparent exceptions were later explained with new insights. While finding the UA-Near-East similarities, I had no idea that they’d eventually explain so much. Though IE was discovered over 200 years ago, additional clarifications of more data and theretofore exceptions have been added through the centuries since. Exploring is, as it says, a first exploration, though more extensive than the early treatments of IE. I might warn lay-readers that Exploring is a half-million-word work of small print for linguists, Semitists, and Egyptologists—very boring unless very interested. More lay-person friendly is the 2nd edition of Changes in Languages from Nephi to Now (2020), which presents some data and their seeming relevances to The Book of Mormon, but Exploring is strictly a linguistic treatment. I might also mention that enough additional cognates and parallels have been found since, that the total likely approaches 1600 now, rather than the 1500-plus found by 2015. Nevertheless, no need for anyone to fret—whether for, against, or ambivalent—because time will tell. Time will tell on all of us.
Mr. Stubbs, if you’re still paying attention to this, did you find any sort of connection with Hebrew or Egyptian in Chibchan?
Sorry, Hoosier, I did quit paying attention awhile. As for Chibchan and the other 160 language families in the Americas, most (150) show no sign of the Near East infusion; however, a few show a smaller degree of infusion. Uto-Aztecan has the most, but one in the eastern USA and a few in northern South America show lesser percentages of Lehite infusion into them, some of the same vocabulary as seen in UA. But to establish such linguistically would require more lifetimes than I have left, if each of those even has enough to work with and tie to the UA data. Some show so little that it may not be worth the effort. However, for a few, I see evidence that Lehi did infiltrate into some other entirely unrelated language families, but no sense in making an issue of it until UA is better accepted, then the smaller amounts of data from those few can be tied to the larger set of data in UA. And Chibchan (if I remember from 30 years ago) may be one of those with a little, but not enough to be presently convincing. However, keep in mind that language often has nothing to do with ancestry. Peoples change languages all the time to languages their ancestors did not speak. Look at all the Native Americans now speaking English or Spanish, not languages of their ancestry. So Lehi is prominent in the Americas, as a small minority that spread more than many suspect. As for language data, some observations are interesting to keep in mind but also keep to oneself, until provable.