- jader3rd on The Church Doesn’t Need Your Panic: A Response to Jonathan Green: “Screaming “concentration camp”, “starving children”, and “torture”, might feel morally righteous or advance a partisan case, but it also heightens anxiety and escalates conflict. In short, it hurts as much as it helps. And since those things are happening, you would prefer that voters ignore them?” Jan 22, 08:37
- on The Church Doesn’t Need Your Panic: A Response to Jonathan Green: “Yeah, this response is puzzling to me, too, as Jonathan’s essay seemed balanced and restrained to me — I don’t think this response fairly characterizes what Jonathan actually wrote.” Jan 22, 08:01
- on The Church Doesn’t Need Your Panic: A Response to Jonathan Green: “Jonathan’s piece was explicit about the importance of the Church protecting its capacity to minister and avoiding a membership-splitting showdown by staying out of direct conflict as long as possible (acknowledging that there are some “red lines” beyond which the Church may feel compelled to speak up, even at the risk of schism). His assessment of balancing moral leadership and institutional risk is independent of his personal views. A puzzling response.” Jan 22, 06:35
- on Ark Steadiers and the Priesthood Ban: “Can’t overlook Sterling McMurrin. Lifelong practicing non-believer. Regular defender and simultaneous critic of the church. Found ways to help national press better appreciate the church. President McKay not infrequently sought his counsel on the race ban and other issues.” Jan 21, 15:52
- on Ark Steadiers and the Priesthood Ban: “I see this like the Sam Young deal. He speaks against the brethren rather publicly, he gets the X, and then the brethren make some of the changes Sam was advocating for. I think Kate Kelly experienced this as well but probably on a smaller scale. To me, it took Young and Kelly to shake the tree enough to get some things changed. It also caused their “death” in the church so to speak. Anyone care to sign my petition to do away with tithing declaration? :) If this is successful I have a few other suggestions.” Jan 21, 14:26
- on Ark Steadiers and the Priesthood Ban: “I guess for me I was thinking about how church leaders use the “ark steadier” metaphor generally to mean not making suggestions to church leaders about making changes to church policies It seems to me that not only did Bennion and Bush respectfully make suggestions but that the leaders did make those changes and we now teach a theology on the topic in line with Bennion and Bush and not with Clark and other leaders. Dave K. I’ve also heard of a number of other people claiming to making such prayers, but I see ark steadiers more like Bennion and Bush and taking respectful action.” Jan 21, 10:55
- on 17 Thoughts About Resistance: “Thanks for all the comments. Tune in tomorrow for a guest post from a different perspective.” Jan 21, 10:01
- on Ark Steadiers and the Priesthood Ban: “I think perhaps we mis-read the story. Did God kill Uzzah for his ark-steadying sin, or for David’s sin? There are parallel stories. Didn’t God kill 70,000 innocent Israelites for David’s sin in ordering a census? And didn’t God kill us and Bathsheeba’s innocent baby for David’s sin of adultery and murder?” Jan 21, 08:51
- on Ark Steadiers and the Priesthood Ban: “Another data point / example you could include is Elder Holland. In his segment for the PBS 2009 documentary The Mormons, Holland said he actively prayed both that the restrictions would be lifted and for strength to sustain the brethren.” Jan 21, 08:40
- on Ark Steadiers and the Priesthood Ban: “I should have been more clear in reiterating what I’d said in my previous post. https://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2025/11/steadying-the-ark/ I see ark steadiers as a VERY GOOD thing. Uzzah did a very good act, and I see our church’s metaphor as those proposing help to the church as bad as being a problematic use of the story. As I said in the previous post, I feel quite certain that God did not kill Uzzah for steadying the ark. I am open to other labels for the kind of actions Bennion and Bush took. ” Jan 21, 08:37
