Conservative pain

An intrinsic problem in liberal and progressive-dominated professions such as academia and journalism is systematically overlooking or diminishing conservative pain. I’m not asking for sympathy for myself here, as I’m not a conservative. Each day I watch in horror as much of what has made my life pleasant or possible is destroyed and generation-spanning work to build this country is vandalized in the name of conservatism, while people who call themselves conservatives look on with indifference or glee. But Jesus’ command to mourn with those who mourn and bear one another’s burdens explicitly includes those who despitefully use us. Not only political prudence but also Christ’s gospel requires us to see conservative pain.

(This is of course true of all kinds of pain, but there are particularities of conservative pain that have not been addressed here, while the challenges faced by liberals or progressives have gotten more airtime over the years from my esteemed co-bloggers.)

I was struck by the invisibility of conservative pain while reading a pandemic-era opinion piece from a doctor who made it a point to ask every patient for their preferred pronouns, a practice that helped address the suffering of her trans and gender non-conforming patients. As for her older or traditional patients who might find the question disconcerting, the author wrote that their discomfort was insignificant compared to her non-conforming patients’ pain and something her traditional patients could easily deal with.

But this is a mistake. Pain is pain, and we can’t rank someone else’s pain for its severity. At a time when estimates of conservative-coded ‘deaths of despair’ reach up to 200,000 annually, we have to take everyone’s pain seriously. That does not mean agreeing with conservatives or assenting to all their wishes, but we have to acknowledge the authenticity of their pain and account for it in attempting a fair response.

Charlie Kirk’s murder was an awful tragedy. I don’t have anything to say about Kirk personally, as I never clicked on his videos, although I would have likely disagreed with his politics and his methods. But the brother who mentioned Kirk in priesthood meeting last week was deeply affected by his death, and I can at least mourn with him. It’s better if people share their authentic sorrows at church, just as it’s better if they share the things they are authentically thankful for. We can share in others’ joy, and share the burden of their mourning, even if we find the hagiography for Kirk excessive, or are appalled by Republican politicians’ divisive rhetoric and instrumentalization of his death.

At church, conservative pain can be overlooked because it is the pain of people who do not as a rule complain about the Church, or at most between spouses behind closed doors, never in front of the kids, and certainly not online. Without access to a representative sample of those private conversations, based only on hints gleaned in passing, I think the primary pain of traditional Church members is that they will someday become as unwelcome at church as a Latin mass in a Catholic cathedral, relegated to the status of unwelcome relics of an embarrassing past in a modern Church that has left them behind.

That may strike you as a ridiculous fantasy, but watch closely how online discussion can instinctively treat traditional beliefs – Joseph Smith was a prophet, the Book of Mormon is based on real history, the Church is true, God hears and answers prayers – as simple-minded and unworthy of serious consideration. The conservative fear is that after loyally supporting the Church and its truth claims for decades, filling the pews and sending children on missions and accepting time-consuming callings, they will be thrown under the bus as hindrances to progress.

Now it is true that the pain of church members with doubts or who differ from traditionalists on some points of belief is also very real and should not be overlooked, and no one’s pain outranks anyone else’s. But over the last half-century, nearly every change has moved the Church in a leftward direction, from greater acceptance of women’s careers and inborn sexual orientation to increased representation of women on ward councils and today’s goal of inclusive language in our new hymnbook. You might not be able to tell from the muted response, but it is significantly easier to be a liberal or progressive or nontraditional member of the Church today than ever before.

Those changes haven’t made the Church perfectly welcoming to nontraditional believers of various kinds, but we should not ignore how traditional believers have been asked to adapt and to do some things they may find uncomfortable. You don’t need to thank them for their sacrifice, but you should thank Jesus, the head of the Church, for his sacrifice, and mourn with them and help bear their burdens, as he has asked you to do.


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23 responses to “Conservative pain”

  1. “But over the last half-century, nearly every change has moved the Church in a leftward direction…”

    You left out the biggest leftward change in the last 50 years by far–extending temple and priesthood blessings to Blacks. Did it cause many conservatives pain? Sure. Does Jesus expect us to mourn with people who experience pain if they experience that pain solely because they’re racist? I don’t know. I think Jesus would be spending his time with the poor and unfairly marginalized instead, like he did in real life.

    Speaking of real life, “online discussions” are not real life. I appreciate online discussions, but my real life is in my ward–where people move to because places like Utah and Texas aren’t conservative enough, and where absolutely no one but myself is “liberal or progressive or nontraditional.” Fifteen years ago that wasn’t the case, and I know that’s not the same everywhere–but we all have different communities and different realities based on where we live.

  2. And as a conservative I’ll note we have our own version of this (“liberal tears,”) with similar battery-acid effects on our sensitivity when you revel in the pain of the other side.

  3. As I was reading this, I had the same thought about conservative pain that Tim had. Only my slant was the changes that show a tiny bit more respect for women, and come out sounding like, “do we really have to respect the pain of misogynist men who can’t stand that now women are allowed to say the prayers in Sacrament meeting, or that we have a whole two female speakers in conference?” Nope, I am not feeling that Christian yet. I can continue to love them and hope they learn that women are human too. But I am just not willing to cozy up to them and comfort them in their pain. I don’t rejoice in their pain and would be willing to listen, but when they whine about women’s rights, it comes out as hatred and anger at women, and sorry, but that’s not them feeling pain, it’s them feeling hate.

    So many of right wing anger and pain right now is just them feeling sorry for themselves that they cannot get privileges over top of those they want to feel superior to. Rather than comforting them, I am more into confronting them about their misplaced sense of superiority. Whites should not get better treatment than blacks, even if they feel they deserve it. They tell themselves they are mistreated when a black person or women is considered on an equal basis, because they just cannot get past their delusion that they are smarter, more qualified, and more capable because women/blacks/hispanics and just plain born stupid and uneducated. You can hear that now in their comments that they would not fly on a plane with a black pilot because as a DEI hire, he is not qualified to fly the plane. Can you hear the assumption that being black means that (a) DEI hires are hired because of race (b) DEI hires do not have the same qualification requirements because race is the only requirement.(c) a black person cannot qualify because they are genetically inferior and too stupid to possibly qualify.

    So, my response rather than comfort in their pain/anger/hatred: 1. educate them about how the system and prejudices really work. 2. Give them psychiatric counseling to help their huge inferiority complex and why they feel they are really better than others. 3 keep changing laws to make sure everyone gets a fair shake. 4. Not give in to conservative whining and anger.

    Sometimes people don’t need comfort. They need to change their attitude. That doesn’t mean we don’t love them and reassure them that they are loved by us and God. But it isn’t good for them to comfort them without correcting them about the idea that every one is a child of God and equal before God and should be equal before the law.

  4. Tim, Jesus does in fact expect us to welcome those who repent and mourn with the suffering of the penitent. If you and I were able to grow up in families that broadly disapproved of overt racism, it was due in part to the relatively recent work of people who refused to pass on their own racial animosity to their children. That largely unseen work was important and worthy of respect.

    Stephen, I really and truly am not reveling in anyone’s pain. I’m trying to say that conservative pain is real and authentic and shouldn’t be dismissed or viewed with amusement.

  5. Anna, I’ve never heard anyone be upset about women praying in sacrament meeting or speaking in conference, so I think you’re inventing reasons to continue feeling angry. It is wrong to equate conservative pain with the worst rhetoric of racist trolls.

    Tim brought up an important point – real life is not online discourse. Always a point worth repeating.

  6. About ten or so years ago a visiting seventy came to our stake conference. He was Hispanic–I can’t remember from which Latin American country. He was really fun and insightful. At a certain point when he was addressing the adults during the Saturday evening session he spoke of the work that was happening in Latin America. And then he took a moment to sincerely thank us–most of whom were white middle class conservatives–for making the sacrifice to serve missions and send our children on missions to those countries. I don’t look for thanks–but I could not stop the tears from flowing as he thanked us in the kindest terms. And perhaps I was a little more primed than others might’ve been because I had served a mission in south America.

    Even so–and I don’t want to be petty–but I must say that that little bit of recognition from an Hispanic person was a healing balm. After years and years of being part of a group that has been labelled “deplorables” and every kind of “phobe” it was comforting to know that not everyone outside of the stereotypical conservative right sees us as hateful people.

  7. I live in a ward where conservatives face some of the struggles liberals do elsewhere, so I can affirm conservative pain is a real thing. Some political conservatives have expressed that they feel unwelcomed by other members. I suspect that’s mostly because they don’t think they can be friends with liberals, but regardless of the reason the pain is real. Some theological conservatives feel like our talks and lessons weaken their faith rather than strengthen it. For example, a teacher may talk about prophets making mistakes while the conservative member is committed to the proposition that prophets never make mistakes. I may agree with the teacher, but the pain is real.

    The covenant we made to mourn with those that mourn is unconditional. It doesn’t matter what we think of their reasons for mourning or their conduct or attitudes in general. That falls under the other unconditional commandment to judge not, and the ultimate challenge to love our enemies. I think a lot of us are facing that commandment for the first time: seeing what’s going on in our country today, the people who are responsible for it or support it are our first real enemies–the first people we’re really tempted to hate. We need to recognize that as a temptation and ask the Lord to help us resist it.

    We’ve longed talked about our society becoming less Christian for a long time, but we’re seeing it now as leaders of both political tribes explicitly and publicly reject Jesus’s commandment to love our enemies. We may struggle with that commandment, but we cannot give up on it and claim to be his disciples.

  8. My parents cried tears of joy in 1978. I remember that day and how happy my parents were that holding the priesthood and the temple were now available for black people. We had a black member in our ward.

    My husband’s father was angry and my husband remembers the horrible, racist things he said that day.

  9. As a self-identified conservative, I’d like to state for the record that I was thrilled when the priesthood ban was lifted, and my impression was that most of the church felt the same way. While there were certainly members who opposed that change, my impression was they were a small minority.

    I also think the increased visibility and status of women in the church is just a return to the trajectory my 19th century pioneer ancestors were on before things got off track in that area about a century ago.

    If I’ve experienced any—well, I won’t call it “pain”, more “annoyance”—it’s over the way progressives always seem to assume any opposition to their stance is based on bigotry and ignorance, and that progressive policies are always about compassion.

  10. As a relatively conservative person who grew up in a very conservative family and ward (although outside of Utah) I always expected that there would be vigorous opposition to the lifting of the priesthood ban. Yet when it happened in my mid twenties not one person ever objected, even mildly. And for anyone my age, regardless of their politics, it was a glorious thing that we celebrated loudly and proudly.

  11. I have seen this effect most pronounced in church discussions regarding women working outside the home. We’ve made great strides in my lifetime. Most women in my ward work outside the home, many of whom have children at home. When the issue arises (most often in Sunday School) there’s no longer the forceful denouncements or pleas for “mother come home,” but I do see pain in the faces of older sisters.

  12. Things I have heard from other member in a conservative town/ward. Perhaps it points to conservative pain . 1. A man spoke up in Sunday School about how he couldn’t speak up for his beliefs about LGBTQ folk without the risk of getting fired. 2. An older female Sunday School teacher for the adult class expressed her utter bewilderment about how anyone could have same sex attraction. She did say it wasn’t her job to judge, but she just didn’t “get it”. 3. The pushback against masks as the covid situation drug on and on seemed to show their need to connect with each other at church in person. I stayed away longer than most and even spent a year in the foyer when the push to return got really intense. I didn’t feel safe with them and they probably felt rejected or judged by me. Even now I stick to sacrament meeting mostly. I dread to hear comments in Sunday school that may show just how much of their pain they direct towards others. I stay quiet when I do go on the rare occasion. I used to be the person that participated in class discussions but no more.

  13. Anon, I deleted a bunch of examples from my post, including one on the pandemic. I’m not changing my mind about masking or vaccination at all (and I don’t want to equate conservatives with vaccine skeptics), but the response was bad in a lot of ways and the whole experience ended up breaking a lot of brains. Masking was effective and necessary, but still awful, and the worst part was that we went 2 years under 2 different administrations before we got easy access to effective masks. It should have been a society-wide priority from the beginning, but it turned into a theater of scolding and defiance.

    Public health officials mostly understood that school was essential to kids and for the provision of important services, but I don’t think many of them understood that churches can play the same role for a lot of people. Churches got treated as something like movie theaters and non-essential entertainment, instead of as part of the basic social fabric of some areas.

    Easily the worst moment was when more than 1000 public health figures declared that some protests were superspreader events, while others were essential for public health. I support protesting against racism and police violence, and I don’t understand pro-Second Amendment protesters, but at a critical moment, we needed neutral expertise applied impartially and we didn’t get it.

  14. Jonathan, I want to affirm your call to compassion—and also clarify a distinction that keeps getting blurred: real mourning vs. self-inflicted mourning (grievance). They are not the same, and our responses should not be the same.

    Pulling from Eckart Tolle on what is “real” I perceive two kinds of sorrow:

    1) Real mourning.
    This is sorrow over loss of life, health, dignity, justice, belonging.

    From a Christian lens, this is what is meant by “Mourn with those that mourn”. It means bearing the weight of real wounds; presence that heals (Rom. 12:15).

    From a Buddhist lens: This is “dukka” is a consequence of impermanence, death, sickness, change, and is met with compassion.

    We can respond to this type of sorrow with compassion and jointly carrying their burden. We sit down, weep, join in and help to mitigate or lift the burden. It’s lift-able because it is real. And, by both engaging and connecting about it, both are illuminated and uplifted. We both recognize the impact of life, and take the first step to react appropriately (whatever that is.) it’s a healing, learning, and uplifting experience for both.

    2) Self-inflicted mourning (grievance over illusion).
    This is pain over losing control, status, or unjust advantage. It is the sorrow of clinging to what was never righteous to possess. It is not “real”, it is a conjured or self-created harm to one’s self.

    From a Christian lens this is “Kicking against the pricks” (Acts 26:14). It describes the hurt that comes from resisting God’s will and our neighbor’s equal dignity.

    From a Buddhist lens this is suffering born of tanh? (craving/attachment). The feeling is real, but the cause is an illusion.

    The way to approach this is with a calm attentive presence without endorsement. We gently redirect them toward repentance or letting go. Love the person, but do not bless the attachment. While the first type of mourning (sacred morning) heals, this type of suffering, based in grievance, hardens. If we mislabel grievance as holy mourning, we risk making “resentment” something we wallow in as a community. Grievance is volatile. It blends quickly with anger and becomes a poison political propagandists weaponize. It’s one of the adversary’s most effective tools. Grievance politics creates communities of fear, scapegoating, and, yes, some truly evil group behavior.

    Can’t we all feel the difference between angered grievance that gets stoked up on the news and by some politicians seeking power versus true sorrow which we sadly all endure and can help each other through in this mortal life? The affects between these two states of being and feelings or polar opposites. They are different tastes, different colors, different realities. They are different energies that cause different outcomes and come from different sources.

    Here’s my line, my boundary. The sanctuary of mourning is for binding up the brokenhearted, not for staging laments over lost domination. One way to look at it is to mourn WITH the wounded and mourn FOR the deceived.

    We stay present with every struggler, but we only make holy the grief over the loss of what is good and real. With grievance, we offer steady love, name the attachment and its false context, and invite release toward Christ’s yoke or, in Buddhist terms, toward freedom from clinging.

    Frankly, for me and for many around me, I think it is much harder to sit with someone in anger/grievance because anger and aggrieved power losses can be contagious and extremely negative. Many great Prophets and characters in the Bible simply call it out harshly and don’t mollycoddle it. They spend precious little time untangling it. They call it out as a false paradigm. They don’t “enter” it.

    I get it, we need to keep our covenant to comfort all who suffer. But we have to do so without turning sacred space into a cesspool for grievance. We can love the grieving person, and still refuse to honor or “make real” the grievance.

  15. Mortimer,

    I think that’s essentially what Elder Holland was talking about when he made a distinction between loving and advocating. He said, in so many words, that we can do the former without doing the latter.

  16. That’s a very good comment Mortimer. I suspect that the Conservative Pain being felt in the recent weeks is a mixture of the two. A bit of pain of the loss of life, but more of a pain that comes from having a sense of structure being disrupted.

  17. I think that conservative voices inside of the Church must reckon with conflicting beliefs that are not acknowledged here. The op indicates that many of these voices keep quiet, or only say something behind closed doors. That might be because one of the fundamental conservative beliefs in the Church is in deference to leadership because of their revelatory power. In my opinion that is why so many conservative voices online point their finger at progressives in the pews or out of it, rather than at leadership decisions, like they often do in other corporate institutions. Think of the way complaints of progressivism in corporate institutions are pointed at leadership in ways you rarely hear directly in the LDS Church. As the OP states the Church has moved left, but conservatives much explain how and why it has.

    I actually strongly agree with the OP that conservatives do the heavy lifting in the Church and question why the Church has not pushed more in their direction myself. My working theory is that even if leadership largely agress with conservative voices they risk alienating enough people who contribue monetarily or otherwise that they are unwilling to go as far in the conservative direction as some might hope.

  18. I was a missionary in 1978 serving in an area in Latin America where there were a great many good and faithful members who were of a mixed lineage that included African ancestry. I was an eyewitness to the reaction of all the saints to the priesthood revelation, and I can say that there was nothing but tears and rejoicing. At no point did I ever encounter a leader or member or missionary who believed the policy was racist. These people believed with a pure and simple faith in The Book of Mormon, in Joseph Smith’s prophetic calling, and in Jesus Christ. They regularly testified of dreams and visions wherein they were promised that one day all the blessings of priesthood and temples would be theirs.

    After my mission, it was the time of Ronald Reagan, who I truly admired and grew to love and follow. As a conservative who has served in a number of ward, stake and mission leadership capacities, I must say I cringe at the way some here have characterized conservatives and ‘conservative pain’. Personally, I don’t believe such a thing exists–at least not for true conservatives with testimonies. As a conservative, I have never felt the need to be superior or above anyone, nor do I see such a trait in my conservative friends. In a similar fashion, I don’t think DEI is the right way to structure our society–not because I’m a bigot or misogynist or racist, but precisely because it is doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.

    The moment we incentivize inclusion based on anything other than merit and qualifications we necessarily lower the bar. This shouldn’t be hard to see. If the NBA (>70% Black players) were to adopt and implement DEI policies in order to make it more “fair” to less talented or capable White, Hispanic, or Asian guys, what would happen? The quota for Black players would be filled quickly by the very elite blacks, and less talented white guys would fill the void. The standard would be lowered and the game itself would suffer.

    Other examples abound. Our military cadet standards were lowered in order to facilitate the promotion of females who had difficulty meeting the rigorous physical requirements of service. Only recently has the military realized the readiness and strike force compromises that have naturally followed. Universities and schools of all stripes artificially elevated the test scores of certain so-called disadvantaged minorities, only to find they later had to subsidize their actual academic performance in order to help them graduate. So if airlines state (as some have) that they have a DEI goal to see 50% of their pilots fit some sort of contrived category such as female, black, Latino, LGBTQ, or whatever, then the only way that will come about is if they lower their standards. There is currently no law preventing anyone from any ethnic or minority group from applying for those positions now. So if suddenly we start to prefer applicants because they fit a profile rather than because they are qualified, we necessarily lower the standards. Sorry to go off on that tangent, but I have led a number of companies with very diverse workforces, and we’ve always had a merit-only approach to recruitment and hiring. We couldn’t care less about the artificial DEI dogma.

    Back to the subject at hand… Personally, I love seeing greater female participation in our councils and saying prayers in our meetings. I also love the way the Church has wrestled with how to compassionately embrace the LGBTQ members of our faith, while still balancing the need to maintain a principled stand against sin. I’m not sure we have it just right, but I am content for the moment to see that our apostles and prophets are asking us all to err on the side of compassion and inclusion rather than judgment. I’m glad that we are being encouraged to see the humanity in those with whom we may disagree politically or religiously.

    In my ward, I never feel constrained to offer up my opinion, and I cherish and respect those who may not agree with me on some things. When I attend Sacrament meetings in San Francisco with my daughter, the chorister in her ward (a biological male) wears a dress and brings a small dog with him (or her) every Sunday. To that, I just smile and thank God that that person is in church at all.

    I’ll end with this. I generally agree with the OP, although as a conservative, I haven’t experienced pain at some of the leftward leanings of the Church over the past 20 years or so. I do have some concerns, however, if we allow this sort of thing to go too far. When compassion becomes accommodation, or when loving our brother becomes losing our standards, then I think we will have gone too far. For example, I can show love and compassion towards my friends who have same-sex attraction, but the moment they begin to try to normalize or groom or advocate for the LGBTQ political agenda, I would draw a hard line.

  19. Back in the 20 teens, my family and I lived in Poland for a few years as I did doctoral research. My wife’s friend and daughters wanted to visit us, bought tickets, and were extremely excited to come out to Europe. We had a great week or two set up for them – castles, cathedrals, spending the night at a palace, etc.

    However, this was early 2016, during the refugee crisis, and my wife’s friend became convinced that Muslim refugees would kill her and her daughters if she came to Europe.

    So, this was a patently ridiculous fear. If nothing else, Poland only took a few hundred refugees, and Southeast Poland, where we were, got none of them. I will note this is fundamentally a racist and xenophobic fear as well.

    It took me a long time to realize that though this fear was misplaced, it caused my wife’s friend and her kids real pain and anguish. They weren’t able to refund their tickets, lost the chance to stay the night in a palace, and chose to live in a scarier and smaller world.

    It can be difficult to balance recognition that a lot of fears (refugees, DEI, Antifa) are ridiculous, and encourage poor decisions, while also remembering that people scared of refugees are feeling fear and experiencing pain. It’s a line we have to walk though.

  20. As a conservative I think there is a lot more pain for progressive members that stay active. They face derision from family members and friends at a much higher level than conservatives do. Their kids hear one message at church and then a different one at home Its a hard place to be a progressive in most LDS congregations. I do understand that this al depends on local conditions.

    My anecdotal experience is that most of the White North American members that left the church in the last 10 years were progressives. My sons that have served missions in North America in the last 10 years report that most converts that they have worked with that were not immigrants were conservative. Even in Blue parts of the country.

    The church has moved leftward since about 2015 in what I view as a failing effort to retain white progressives. The risk is that they will over time offend the core TBM conservatives. In my view these are the folks that do the lifting for the most part. The model to avoid would be the BSA or the mainline protestant church model. We are currently not as far down the path as say the BSA but we are trending in that direction.

    Most conservatives do not complain much about this trend publicly. Its privately inside families in my experience Locally in my area PH leaders in the last 5 to 10 years have made real efforts to retain progressive members and raised the ire of the conservatives only to watch most of the progressives they were trying to retain walk away anyways.

  21. Bbell, The way I see it, the Church is just doing what it’s doing. Not right or left, conservative or progressive… just doing what our top leaders feel inspired to do and walking that fine balance of trying to honor and teach both of the first two Great Commandments. The problem, in my eyes, is when people on either side hold their political views as the standard that Church teachings and policies should fit, rather than the other way around. Conservatives, instead of amending their views to be in line with Church teachings, lament that they feel the Church is changing rather than seeing that they are the ones who might need to change. Progressives, rather than amending their views to be in line with Church teachings, get frustrated that the Church is not changing fast enough for their tastes rather than seeing that they are the ones who need to change.

    There has historically been an assumption by many that conservative views and gospel teachings are one and the same, and this is simply not true and never has been. There is not a right or a wrong political party; there are multiple very imperfect parties with human short-sightedness and fallibility as well as sometimes blindness, hunger for power, and greed. And then, independent of all of these, there is the Church–led by imperfect humans of course but with leaders blessed by access to revelation and the desire to discern and follow God’s will.

  22. There sure are a lot of leftists projecting about conservatives, like leftists do in general, e.g. on needing to reconcile their politics with conflicting doctrine, taking joy in others’ misery (lots of polling about this makes it more than my subjective view), etc.

    To address just one thing mentioned here: Conservatives don’t think the prophets are infallible. I don’t know why you’d think that unless you want to justify your dismissal of certain doctrine.

  23. Let’s just admit an obvious fact: If the Church changes to adopt certain left-wing views, then it isn’t true. Some foundational ideas of modern left-wing ideology are incompatible with not just the doctrine but truth itself. It’s a postmodernist infection, rejecting objective reality itself.

    We see in this article, and more pointedly in other places, what might appear to be the cheering on of “progressing” the Church away from being the Church at all, with labeling basic things like saying the Church is true or the prophethood of Joseph Smith as apparently conservative or merely “traditional” (not unchangeable) ideas. Maybe the writer didn’t intend that but plenty of progressives do.

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