Do Women Actually Have the Priesthood?

There’s a new exegetical school of thought that women do in fact have the priesthood. Most prominently Dr. Morgan Gardner in the BYU Religion Department wrote a book developing the idea, and there is some First Presidency commentary (specifically, President Oaks and President Nelson I believe) supporting the notion. 

First, as an aside, I adjuncted a religion class at BYU way back when I was a loud, opinionated, boisterous postgrad, where I was in several meetings with Dr. Morgan Gardner. I like her, appreciate her work (she produces good content, check out her site), and nothing in the below should be seen as reflecting negatively on her.

At the outset, I don’t have any kind of a problem with the actual substance of the argument. It sits well with me, and there’s some historical precedent and theological reasoning for something like “women do have the priesthood.” Rather, there are two related points I wanted to make about this new exegetical strand of thought.  

  • It is, in fact, new. 

While “women actually do have the priesthood” has some precedent to draw from, on the whole it is an innovative theology, and that’s fine. I understand the skittishness of seeing this as an innovation. There are all sorts of theological ideas coming from lay members that fit in the category of people getting ahead of their skis and steadying the ark. While he could have phrased it better, I actually do sort of sympathize with aspects of the infamous McConkie letter to Eugene England on this point. Lay theologians can play with different possibilities, but their speculations have their limits that should be recognized. 

Of course what sets Dr. Morgan Gardner’s approach apart here is that this interpretation does in fact have explicit support from the authorities. I don’t know enough about the time sequence of Dr. Morgan Gardner’s work and the First Presidency talks to be able to suss out the provenance of the idea, but regardless of where it came from it is in fact a new interpretation, or at least new for something that has the support of the First Presidency.  

Now again, this is completely fine. However, if this interpretation becomes widely adopted I’m going to push back a little on any attempt to frame it as “this has always been there and it’s our fault that we didn’t interpret the texts and theology correctly.” There’s something a little “we’ve always been at war with Eastasia” to that, since this would have been considered an eclectic interpretation among both leaders and laity not that long ago. 

I think an analogy here could be drawn with the limited geography model of the Book of Mormon. The fact is that until population genetics research came along the predominant, quasi Church supported view (e.g. “primary ancestors of the Native Americans”) was different from the view today, and to be honest we should recognize that instead of trying to artificially force a continuity that simply is not there. One benefit of having living prophets is that policy and interpretations can change. 

  • I doubt this will do much to resolve people’s concerns about women and the priesthood.

I realize I’m sort of mansplaining squared here. First, not a woman. And second, I’ve never had a problem with women and the priesthood. I’m not lowkey bragging, it’s just never really been a thing for me. If I ever leave the Church that particular item will be pretty far down on the list of why. 

However, I spend enough time around people for whom this is an issue that I doubt it will help retain people who would otherwise leave the Church over the issue. For people who have this concern priesthood is a stand-in for structural “power” (queue doom music, although I always thought the social and political “power” of Church leaders was overrated: President Nelson can’t even get Utahns to vaccinate). 

This kind of  liturgical-but-not-hierarchical priesthood doesn’t do anything to address that. Women still report to men and have to officially get approval for things from men. The gendered authority structures are still there even if we are more capacious in our understanding of priesthood power, so for people for whom who reports to who in ward council is very important, the operating characteristic remains the gender of the person where the institutional buck stops, and this doesn’t change that. Of course, the validity of any theological position is completely orthogonal to whether it retains people, so again this shouldn’t be seen as criticizing the idea itself.


Comments

6 responses to “Do Women Actually Have the Priesthood?”

  1. To me, what this new “women do have the priesthood” suggests is that there is a recognition on some level that excluding women from priesthood is wrong. It doesn’t directly change the reality but it denies the reality while also opening space for change.

  2. Last Lemming

    I would turn your question around and instead ask whether men truly have the priesthood in the “structural power” sense. We know from D&C 121 that “[n]o power or influence can or ought to be maintained by virtue of the priesthood…” And yet we have to listen to “follow the prophet” talks every conference that are nothing but advocacy for allowing the prophet to exercise power and influence by virtue of his priesthood. Until we get the “structural power” concept right (patience, long-suffering, etc.–and I have seen progress at the local level over the last 20 years), giving priesthood to women will just allow more people to exercise unrighteous dominion, simply by following the priesthood example that has been set for them.

    Of course, one could argue the opposite–that women would exercise their priesthood righteously and set an example for the men to follow. That may be half right, but I think men who are inclined to follow righteous leadership examples set by women, albeit in nonchurch roles, are already doing so–hence the improvement in their behavior in the last 20 years. I’m not saying it would be a mistake to start explicitly ordaining women to the priesthood. I am saying that it is not obvious that it would quickly improve the church experience.

  3. If the Church keeps going in this direction, it needs to apologize for several of the September 6th excommunications.

  4. A Turtle Named Mack

    I’ve had similar thoughts as Mr. Lemming. I maintain that if the Church started explicitly ordaining women to the priesthood, those women would be sorely disappointed in how little things would change and how slightly their Church experience would improve. Because…the priesthood isn’t the problem. The problem is the men and their structural privilege. If men are no longer able to maintain that privilege by virtue of the priesthood they’ll find other ways. Would things improve over time, sure, but that probably (hopefully) happens, anyway. Don’t get me wrong – let’s definitely start explicitly ordaining women to the priesthood. Let’s just not think that will solve the problem of women’s reduced role and influence in the Church.

  5. I get stuck at understanding what specifically is different for a woman who (already?) has the priesthood (or a man for that matter) compared to someone from outside our church who also believes they act with the power of God. What miracle, revelation, kindness, behavior, power, draw on the heavens, etc., only exists in the LDS priesthood that isn’t also claimed in other versions of Christianity / non-Cristianity? My only answer is ordinances and structural power within the church.

    Which makes me just not care all that much about who has priesthood and who doesn’t, since I have zero interest in structural power and avoid it, preferring to stick to the more Love-My-Neighbor aspects of church.

  6. Gary Cooper

    Hello all. Some folks here will remember my name from years ago when I was a frequent commenter. I’ve just lurked here for years due to time and health issues. To the point of the op, I do not believe women have priesthood, but I do believe they have priestesshood. For the best explanation of this concept, see here: https://squaretwo.org/Sq2ArticleCasslerWomenPowerAuthorityChurch.html

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