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“It’s just Violence” Why I Think Sex Actually is Worse than Violence in Movies

When members of a certain stripe are discussing whether a movie is appropriate despite its R-rating it’s common to say “it’s just violence” (or another one: “there are a handful of F-bombs”). 

It’s also routine for members of a different stripe to bemoan the fact that sex is considered the be-all for appropriateness in movies when violence should be considered just as much. 

I agree that violence (and swearing, for that matter) are both spiritually deadening, but I actually agree with the take that sexuality in movies is particularly dangerous and damaging for most people (with some exceptions to-be-discussed). For the most part I actually do think that sex in movies is worse than violence.

The fact is that sex, unlike violence, holds a natural appeal to most people. I mean sure, we might want to punch somebody in the moment occasionally, but unless they have very deep issues people don’t enjoy hurting people just to hurt people the way they might enjoy being in the sexual situation playing on the television.  

For the average person sex provides a temptation, an alternative path off the straight and narrow in a way that, say, cutting off limbs and spraying blood Quinten Tarantino-style does not. Watching a super hero blow bad guys away with a bazooka can be some fun, but (again, with rare exceptions) it doesn’t motivate most people to go out and blow bad guys away with bazookas, whereas for non-asexual the average sex scene provides a titillating alternative to what they should be doing. 

That is not to say that temptations to non-gospel-living are the only criterion for something being bad in media. In that sense violence is per se worse than sex. As I noted, something can be spiritually deadening without being alluring. Saw– or Hostel-type torture films never really appealed to me, but they certainly do not fit in the category of “of good report,” and it would feel weird doing a temple session afterwards. That kind of gratuitous, boundary-pushing violence has a darkness all its own that’s in a different category than a titillating sex scene, so to be clear: I’m not saying that the former is better than the latter. I would argue that a consensual sex scene is much less problematic than scenes where torture is meant to entertain in a twisted way.   

But most violent scenes are either comical, unrealistic on the benign side to maintain a benign rating, or realistic to make a strong social point about war or violence. Each of these has their potential issues: for example, gun fights where the people only bleed a thimble-full at a time downplays the reality of violence in ways that the realistic violence films try to rectify. However, again, this violence, while it can be problematic, does not have a whole lot of implications for our day-to-day.

Sex scenes do. Most of these are primarily used to add a little spice, a little jolly rancher sweetener to a film. That’s why most such scenes are custom built for that purpose. I still think it’s fine to have a norm against a person viewing a sexual activity of another person they are not married to, but it would be somewhat redeemable if sex scenes were more representative, or designed around making a point or telling a story about reality instead of being a jolly rancher. (And yes, there are some scenes that do show sexuality in all its complexity, but I would still argue that they’re not the majority). One would still be excused for thinking that sex is the exclusive domain of 20-something singles in New York City (which is ironic, because in reality single people have much less and much worse sex than marrieds), and not very normal-looking, slightly overweight, middle-aged, middle-class, middle-America couples. 

I’m not saying this justifies NC-17 level explicitness, but neither should we go back to I Love Lucy where they sleep in separate beds and we collectively, implicitly agree that sex doesn’t exist or, to paraphrase Orson Scott Card, the characters don’t have sex lives. At the risk of being cliche and predictable, a vacuum of any discussion of appropriate or representative sexuality in media gets filled in one way or another. And I’m not just talking about pornography. The first time I saw the “private parts” of a female was when I read the book Rape of Nanking in elementary school (in their defense, it’s not like my parents were policing the books my sister was leaving out). Times and Seasons is PG-13 rated, so I won’t go into detail, but you can imagine that a book about the horrific Japanese occupation of Nanking wasn’t the best introduction to female reproductive parts. And we’ll leave it at that.  

But again most sex scenes (but not all) are very patently designed to titillate for the sake of titillation, involving model-level attractive young people with voracious sexual appetites for each other. In a sense it’s always been thus, even before Shakespeare’s “beast with two backs” we had Pompeii frescoes advertising sexual services. Implicitly or not, it communicates an anti-gospel message away from developing one’s self sexually with a person, and towards the fleshpots of Egypt (how’s that for a double entendre). However, unlike other anti-gospel messages we get in cinema, this one appeals to some of our strongest drives, which makes it all the more risky to play around with. 

Of course, on that point, there are some people for whom this does not apply. For some asexuals seeing attractive people having sex has the same natural erotic appeal as hearing a cicada mating call. And that’s fine. They don’t need to be nearly as careful. When I lived in Philadelphia I took a detour once through its gayborhood and started browsing a gay bookstore out of a sort of a sort cultural tourist-y interest. There were a bunch of sexually explicit DVDs (back when people got their porn through DVDs), but being a pretty solid 0 on the Kinsey scale the gay porn had the erotic charge of watching paint dry (not being subtly homonegative here, that’s just the way it is for me personally); I saw it like a cultural anthropologist would and didn’t feel particularly sinful as I glanced over the titles, and I assume asexuals have a similar reaction with all things erotic. I’m not making an argument about how sinful it is for an asexual to see explicit materials (or, say a gay man to thumb through a Playboy), I’m not sure I have a fully developed perspective on the issue, but whatever it is it’s less risky than for a non-asexual. 

But on the other hand one often hears the “I don’t see the appeal“ line in regards to pornography in such a way that it’s a not a very subtle dig at people who do see the appeal. I suspect that some on the left use this line when they are ostensibly pro-sexual liberation and don’t want to be grouped with conservatives. It allows them to punt on the completely consensual heterosexual male gaze while still ostensibly accepting liberal sexual liberation, but the fact that Leonardo DiCaprio has decided to date 20-year olds still really, really bothers them. At the end of the day “born this way” has a lot of implications for heterosexuals as well as sexual minorities. 

So for large swaths of the population a titillating R-rated sex scene does have more damaging potential temptation-wise than an R-rated cop shootout, and that fact should be taken into account when rank-ordering how problematic it is for people trying to live the Latter-day Saint lifestyle.


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11 responses to ““It’s just Violence” Why I Think Sex Actually is Worse than Violence in Movies”

  1. NOTE: I wrote this response but ran it through Gemini AI to fix my grammar. It actually took what I wrote and polished it even more than I was intending.

    The moral assessment of violence is fundamentally context-dependent. The action itself is secondary to the object and narrative framing. For example, the “violent” destruction of an inanimate object is universally disregarded.

    When violence involves human beings, the moral calculus changes, but context remains the dominant factor. The public reaction shifts drastically based on:

    The Target: Violence against an innocent elicits outrage and sorrow, whereas the same violence directed at a recognized antagonist often provokes a sense of justice or approval.

    The Severity: Extremely depraved acts, such as torture (e.g., in the Saw films), generally cross a universal line of unacceptability, regardless of the target’s identity.

    The narrative of Nephi beheading the unconscious (and intoxicated) Laban serves as a compelling case study. While the act is undeniably violent, the majority response within the Latter-day Saint community is one of justification. This outcome is sustained by the story’s context, which frames Laban as the necessary evil, overriding the general prohibition against harming an unarmed person.

  2. Carey F: “The moral assessment of violence is fundamentally context-dependent.” I agree. The same could be said for sexuality as well, but in many more cases it can provide a temptation regardless of its context, hence why we need to be more careful with the latter.

  3. I think one of the differences between sex and violence in movies (and other media) is that the latter is obviously fictionalized while former breaks the fourth wall. The actors may not love each other in the real world–but that doesn’t mitigate the direct transmission of sexual content to the viewer.

  4. Sexual content (assuming the viewer is aroused by it) stirs up a bunch of hormones that subtly influence our thoughts and behavior and are designed to help us “finish the job.” Those of us who are married have options for dealing with those hormones, and those of us who are older probably don’t feel them as keenly. But we shouldn’t forget that for a youth or young single adult, those hormones are both frustrating and can lead to more problematic behavior–including changing how they treat others. So yeah, it’s a problem.

    For violence, context matters so much that I’m not sure it’s useful to talk about it as a category. We should pay more attention to the messages that come with the violence in a given movie. Movies can do a great job of making us not care about the suffering of certain people or kinds of people. They often endorse very primitive notions of justice which are contrary to the teachings of Jesus.

    How many violent movies send the message “Making people safe requires a strong man who is willing to break rules, be ruthless, and make the bad guys suffer”? Is it any coincidence that we now have a president whose core message is “I am a strong man who is willing to break rules, be ruthless, and make the bad guys suffer to keep you safe”? People who would never commit violence as a result of watching a movie may be influenced by a movie to endorse those who will, especially if the violence happens out of sight, to people whose suffering they have been desensitized to, and in the name of some primitive notion of justice.

    That said, when I hear about these incidents where people are shot for going to the wrong door, I wonder how many violent movies, “true crime” documentaries, and violent crime-focused news shows the shooters have watched recently.

  5. “That said, when I hear about these incidents where people are shot for going to the wrong door, I wonder how many violent movies, “true crime” documentaries, and violent crime-focused news shows the shooters have watched recently.”

    Me too. And, on a slight tangent, whenever I see somebody weaving in and out of traffic I wonder how many people the Fast and the Furious franchise has killed.

  6. “For the most part I actually do think that sex in movies is worse than violence.”

    I tend to hold this thought as well.

    But hear me out. What if we’ve all been ruined in a way similar to but different than if we’d raised an entire nation for generations on porn?

    It’s 6 the only question you need to ask yourself. Can you imagine sitting down and saying to the Saviors, “this is a great one, let’s watch it for fun, and then how about we sing ‘more holiness give me’ afterwards?”

    It’s a seemingly impossible standard to apply that to our conduct all the time because quite frankly we love Babylon too much.

    But admit it at least.

    Let’s not make our sins better than others to justify them.

  7. I agree with this. As someone who grew up not watching Rated R movies, it was strange to interact with active members who did when I left my house. I still don’t watch them.

  8. My brother lives in Germany and has commented on how over there members of the Church say “it’s just some nudity” when justifying watching a harsher rated movie, and yet they are appalled at the violence, blood, and gore that most American movie-goers tolerate. Europeans generally (including probably Latter-day Saints) are less prudish and Victorian regarding nudity and sex. Americans generally (including probably Latter-day Saints) are far more cavalier in their Wild West, Second Amendment, gun-toting norms around violence than the European Saints.

  9. Stephen C.

    That’s fascinating. I wonder if some of that is because their social trauma wounds from war are fresher. I’ll hasten to add that nudity is not necessarily sexuality, although it has some of the same risks. I’m waiting until some of my kids are a bit older to watch The Mission with them, for example, even though it’s one of the most spiritually touching films ever.

    WRT The Mission, I used to hand-wave away “National Geographic nudity” as being less problematic in that sense, but then realized that it’s sort of racist in a way to assume that indigenous breast-baring would be less erotically appealing to my teenagers.

  10. Stephen C,
    If a woman was nursing a baby uncovered in a church foyer, would that bother you?

    My point is that context matters. The nudity in “The Mission” is non-sexual. It doesn’t matter which race exhibits the human form. It is in the image of God.

  11. Stephen C.

    Yes, context does matter. My wife nurses in church. That’s a special case where it’s incredibly inconvenient for the woman to do otherwise, so guys can deal.

    However, I wouldn’t want my kids (or I for that matter), watching a scene where a woman is showering in the nude even if showering per se isn’t a sexual act, whereas it would probably be fine for a heterosexual man to see breasts in the scene in “Wit” where Emma Thompson’s soul leaves her body in the hospital. (It’s an incredibly moving scene and an edit would completely ruin it). So yes, context matters, but not all non-sexual nudity is unproblematic given the reasons discussed in the OP, and as a general rule I’m going to be more careful with nudity the younger my kids are, hence my decision about The Mission, but reasonable people can disagree about where exactly that line is for which ages.

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