{"id":8900,"date":"2009-07-12T03:28:00","date_gmt":"2009-07-12T08:28:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/?p=8900"},"modified":"2009-07-13T14:35:36","modified_gmt":"2009-07-13T19:35:36","slug":"speculation","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2009\/07\/speculation\/","title":{"rendered":"Speculation"},"content":{"rendered":"

Questions without solid answers, from teaching Elders’ Quorum today: <\/p>\n

1. Did Jesus get His endowments during life? If so, how and where? If not, why not (and what does that say)? <\/p>\n

Possible evidence for: Lesson manual quotes<\/a> Joseph Smith that “If a man gets a fulness of the priesthood of God, he has to get it in the same way that Jesus Christ obtained it, and that was by keeping all the commandments and obeying all the ordinances of the house of the Lord. \u2026”<\/p>\n

Theory 1: He went to the temple at Jerusalem and took out His endowment there. <\/p>\n

Problems: 1. There’s no good evidence that the temple at Jerusalem was set up to perform (or did perform) anything like our modern temple ceremony. 2. Do we really think that Jewish leaders at the time were operating with the Melchizedek Priesthood? <\/p>\n

So, probably a no on Theory 1. <\/p>\n

Theory 2: He didn’t take out an endowment during life. <\/p>\n

Problems: What about the Joseph Smith quote, above? (But, does it really say that? It says that he “obeyed all of the ordinances of the house of the Lord” — maybe that means that he obeyed the substance of the covenants, without having to formally receive the endowment). <\/p>\n

Also, why wouldn’t He? Is an endowment not necessary for Jesus? (If so, why is baptism necessary?) If it is necessary, and He didn’t get it during life, then does He have to have it done by proxy? (Wouldn’t that be an interesting temple session!) <\/p>\n

Theory 3: It happened in some other location. In particular, maybe it happened at the Mount of Transfiguration. Temple ceremonies can happen outside of a dedicated temple (see, e.g., the use of the Red Brick Store). The Mount, with God, seems like a reasonable location for receiving the endowment. <\/p>\n

Bonus question: Did the Twelve Apostles ever receive an endowment? If so, where and how? <\/p>\n

Bonus question two: Did Jesus have to be ordained to the Melchizedek Priesthood, or did he intrinsically have the Priesthood (especially the Melchizedek — which was originally known as<\/a> the Holy Priesthood after the Order of the Son of God), since it was His power to begin with?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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