{"id":52140,"date":"2025-12-14T05:11:55","date_gmt":"2025-12-14T12:11:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/?p=52140"},"modified":"2025-12-14T18:31:05","modified_gmt":"2025-12-15T01:31:05","slug":"what-do-you-know-about-catholic-integralism","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2025\/12\/what-do-you-know-about-catholic-integralism\/","title":{"rendered":"Catholic Integralism and the Constitution"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>So lately I\u2019ve been noticing some rhetoric on the right that seems at odds with what had been more standard claims to a great devotion to the constitution. I\u2019m probably not as linked into these networks as many others, so I\u2019m curious what additional information T&amp;S readers may know.<\/p>\n<p><!--more-->I\u2019d heard some rhetoric like the \u201cFlight 93\u201d concept and others, but was particularly struck by the popular clip of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=0sKBm0ME-P0\">Medhi Hassan debating<\/a> young conservatives and the statements made by a young white Catholic man. He said he didn\u2019t mind being called a Fascist, that he loved Francisco Franco as the ideal ruler, and wanted to get American law aligned with Catholic standards including imposing blasphemy laws.<\/p>\n<p>This came across as an odd combination to me.<\/p>\n<p>Steve Bannon\u2019s continual insistence on Trump serving a third term seemed equally adrift from the constitution and I was interested <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Steve_Bannon\">to learn<\/a> that Bannon is a conservative Catholic. To be clear, me noting this trend isn&#8217;t a critique of Catholicism as a whole for which I have a lot of admiration. Clearly Catholics Integralists only form a portion of American Catholics (I have no idea what portion).<\/p>\n<p>In this context, I was particularly struck by a claim from <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=y1VkrW9IPWU\">Mike Cosper on the <em>Dispatch<\/em><\/a>. Cosper, a former Protestant minister, was speaking with a Protestant son a friend who attends Columbia University, and Cosper expressed to the kid his condolences over the difficulties a conservative religious kid would going to school there (around minute 16).<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt is but not for the reason that you think,\u201d the student responded. \u201cWhen I go to the young conservative gatherings on this campus, it\u2019s full of hardcore monarchists, Catholic Integralists; these people who are essentially saying that democracy was a mistake.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I first heard the term \u201cCatholic Integralism\u201d from my dad as we were talking about these issues. <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Integralism\">Wikipedia<\/a> defines it as \u201cthe principle that the Catholic faith should be the basis of public law and public policy within civil society.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Put another way, the sense I\u2019m getting from some of these Integral Catholics is the belief that how they interpret Catholic policy should the a highest political and legal rule, higher than the constitution. I wonder if such thinking motivates Bannon\u2019s insistence on Trump\u2019s third term.<\/p>\n<p>Right after that statement from Cosper, he notes that such thinking \u201cdraws people into the influence of Nick Fuentes,\u201d and Fuentes seems to make abundant references to his Catholic devotion and to also thinking in terms of Catholic Integralism. I know Fuentes is a hot topic recently, and again, I\u2019m not an expert, but Cosper and the <em>Dispatch <\/em>host calling Fuentes a Neo-Nazi seems accurate.<\/p>\n<p>Fuentes is his own topic, but the focus of this post is the interest and concern of a rise of a form of political thought among Americans who seem to want to subordinate the constitution to their own religious-political ideology. Again I\u2019m thinking of Bannon\u2019s insistence of Trump\u2019s third term.<\/p>\n<p>Such ideas becoming more popular seems particularly concerning and make me think of our white horse prophecy of the constitution hanging by a thread. I don\u2019t mean to sound alarmist, but in the volatile times we seem to be in, such a trend isn\u2019t encouraging.<\/p>\n<p>Just to make a more explicit Mormon connection, I\u2019ll note Jonathan Rouch\u2019s recent <em>Cross Purposes<\/em>: <em>Christianity\u2019s Broken Promises with Democracy <\/em>who <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=2R0ic2SdfOc\">highlights President Oaks\u2019s<\/a> statements (minute 12) on the importance of political compromise in a pluralistic society. Our constitution may indeed need saving and President Oaks is in a remarkable position.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>So lately I\u2019ve been noticing some rhetoric on the right that seems at odds with what had been more standard claims to a great devotion to the constitution. I\u2019m probably not as linked into these networks as many others, so I\u2019m curious what additional information T&amp;S readers may know.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":10406,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[53],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-52140","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-latter-day-saint-thought"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/52140","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/10406"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=52140"}],"version-history":[{"count":8,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/52140\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":52175,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/52140\/revisions\/52175"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=52140"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=52140"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=52140"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}