{"id":51122,"date":"2025-10-25T03:04:29","date_gmt":"2025-10-25T09:04:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/?p=51122"},"modified":"2025-10-25T07:43:51","modified_gmt":"2025-10-25T13:43:51","slug":"masculine-fidelity-and-sexual-propriety-in-the-media","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2025\/10\/masculine-fidelity-and-sexual-propriety-in-the-media\/","title":{"rendered":"Masculine Fidelity and Sexual Propriety in the Media"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Often our cultural paradigms for fidelity and sexual propriety are, frankly, seemingly low-testosterone, low-sociosexuality cases. Of course Mr. Rogers is going to be faithful to his wife (although I don\u2019t claim any knowledge of his T-count). Or all those skinny Mr. Darcy-type, regency period love interests that Mormon women are obsessed with (another post for another day).\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This isn\u2019t bad necessarily, I\u2019m not shaming low-T men, nor am I conflating manly strength with traditionally masculine traits, but there\u2019s a limit to the extent to which a Mr. Rogers type can serve as an example on sexual issues or speak to men and young men who are not so inclined. And as a father of boys I want to be able to draw on examples of manly men who aren\u2019t just faithful because they\u2019re demisexual, gray-asexual, or sometimes just plain asexual (again, nothing wrong with that), but men for whom their faithfulness and respect for women is an extension of, and not simply in spite of, their traditional masculinity (and no, not all traditional masculinity is toxic, although some is).\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Since for many male adolescents sex is the driving issue of their existence, how exactly it is channeled and normatively framed is huge, less they become a Andrew Tate or yet another 35-year old masturbating in their mother&#8217;s basement. So my antenna is constantly on about what kind of pro-chastity messages I can feed into their media diet in a non-ham-fisted, non-preachy way. Of course there\u2019s no problem with preaching occasionally, but ideally it would be great to pair explicit gospel messages with the kind of social media influences that say the same thing, like that book about how to sneak vegetables into your kids\u2019 food.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So on that note, below is my list of potentially useful examples of high-testosterone, masculine fidelity in the popular media.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Maximus in Gladiator<\/b><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-51124 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Gladiator-Featured-crop-800x370.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"438\" height=\"202\" srcset=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Gladiator-Featured-crop-800x370.jpg 800w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Gladiator-Featured-crop-1536x710.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Gladiator-Featured-crop-2048x947.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 438px) 100vw, 438px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This is the \u201cS-tier\u201d example. It\u2019s hard to get more masculine than Maximus. His passion for his wife is supplemented, not detracted, but his masculine aggression when his desire for making right the death of his wife translates into winning in the arena. Also, a very tear-jerky ending scene that should have a particular appeal to us with our afterlife theology.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>John Wick<\/b><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-51126 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/John-Wick-3.jpg-800x450.webp\" alt=\"\" width=\"357\" height=\"201\" srcset=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/John-Wick-3.jpg-800x450.webp 800w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/John-Wick-3.jpg.webp 1000w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 357px) 100vw, 357px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">John Wick is a similar situation, although sometimes with him there is destruction for destruction\u2019s sake\u2026which can be fun sometimes. The sap here is a little over-the-top, but massacring the people who killed the dog your deceased wife sent you is pretty, base? Dope? (Is that what the kids say these days?). The violence is also a little over-the-top (I mean, it\u2019s John Wick), but the animating force here is his devotion to his wife, not vengeance or just shooting people to be cool like it is for a lot of other movies.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>The Godfather<\/b><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-51127 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Unknown-1.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"290\" height=\"174\" \/><\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Michael Corleone meets Moe Greene\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/wH6cLeCxxrQ?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The scene I\u2019m thinking of in particular here was when Michael Corleone arrives at Las Vegas and his brother Moe offers him a bevy of women to enjoy before their meeting, and he very coolly shrugs them off so they can get down to business. I\u2019m not a James Bond fan, but it seems like for some of the more recent iterations the writers tried to go in this direction, where Bond is simply above using sex to fulfill his own carnal desires when there are bigger issues at play. I don\u2019t know if the Bond franchise kept going in that direction, but it\u2019s the same vibe as Michael Corleone.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>The Northman<\/b><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-51141 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/The-Northman-646x800.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"396\" height=\"490\" srcset=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/The-Northman-646x800.png 646w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/The-Northman.png 969w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 396px) 100vw, 396px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"The Northman (2022) - Mother of Kings Scene | Movieclips\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/HbA0CYGJRhc?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Okay, this one is going to get me in trouble, but let me explain. The Northman is clearly an anti-hero with all sorts of toxic masculinist traits that I <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">do not<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> want for my sons, but he also isn\u2019t a one-dimensional evil character. Let\u2019s say the film doesn\u2019t take late-stage, post-Christian morality as its taken-for-granted background framework, and in including him on this list I\u2019m not endorsing most of what he does in the movie, but if we could figure out how to capture the sense of kinship; family obligations to spouse, ancestors, and descendents; willingness to fight and die for family, and \u201cturning the hearts of the fathers to the children and the children to the fathers,\u201d <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">without<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> burning Ukrainian villages and enslaving people that would be great. (Of course, it would have been better had he stayed and helped raise the kids instead of pursuing a blood vendetta).\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Pulp Fiction<\/b><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-51129 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/p15684_i_h10_au.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"364\" height=\"205\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I\u2019m also not going to win any father-of-the-year awards for watching <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Pulp Fiction<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> with my kids, although Vidangel helps. The scene I\u2019m thinking of here is when Samuel L. Jackson\u2019s hitman character exclaims (right before shooting somebody of course) \u201cMr. Wallace doesn\u2019t want to [edit, edit] anybody but Mrs. Wallace!\u201d And yes, I know a comical aside by a gangster shouldn\u2019t be read into too seriously like it has some profound meaning, but still, the fact that Marcell Wallace\u2019s spousal relationship with the Uma Thurman character is sort of taken for granted throughout the movie is meaningful when the operating assumption with gangster types, like in The Godfather, is that they have all these side options, so the idea of a traditionally monogamous marriage doesn\u2019t quite fit.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>300<\/b><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-51131\" src=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Hollywood-Insider-300-Political-Satire-800x467.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"467\" srcset=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Hollywood-Insider-300-Political-Satire-800x467.jpg 800w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Hollywood-Insider-300-Political-Satire.jpg 888w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"This is Sparta Scene (full)  HD\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/cAacE5ukzrs?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Leonidas throws the Persian emissaries into a pit for, among other things, insulting his queen, and looks to her for permission before doing so. He relies on her heavily for advice on how to handle the impending invasion. Here the hyper-masculinity goes hand-in-hand with a matriarch-as-equal-partner rather than an aggressive man simply dominating his wife. The hyper-masculinity is an extension of respect for their wife\u2019s authority, and not something to dominate her with. [CW: There is a little bit of homonegativity, but since he talks about &#8220;boy lovers&#8221; I&#8217;m going to interpret that as pederasty and not homosexuality per se. Plus the actual Spartans were very bisexual, and didn&#8217;t see non-receptive homosexual sex as being sissy in any way.]<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Often our cultural paradigms for fidelity and sexual propriety are, frankly, seemingly low-testosterone, low-sociosexuality cases. Of course Mr. Rogers is going to be faithful to his wife (although I don\u2019t claim any knowledge of his T-count). Or all those skinny Mr. Darcy-type, regency period love interests that Mormon women are obsessed with (another post for another day).\u00a0 This isn\u2019t bad necessarily, I\u2019m not shaming low-T men, nor am I conflating manly strength with traditionally masculine traits, but there\u2019s a limit to the extent to which a Mr. Rogers type can serve as an example on sexual issues or speak to men and young men who are not so inclined. And as a father of boys I want to be able to draw on examples of manly men who aren\u2019t just faithful because they\u2019re demisexual, gray-asexual, or sometimes just plain asexual (again, nothing wrong with that), but men for whom their faithfulness and respect for women is an extension of, and not simply in spite of, their traditional masculinity (and no, not all traditional masculinity is toxic, although some is).\u00a0 Since for many male adolescents sex is the driving issue of their existence, how exactly it is channeled and normatively framed [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":10403,"featured_media":51124,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[53,3022],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-51122","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-latter-day-saint-thought","category-sexuality"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Gladiator-Featured-crop-scaled.jpg","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/51122","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/10403"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=51122"}],"version-history":[{"count":22,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/51122\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":51658,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/51122\/revisions\/51658"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/51124"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=51122"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=51122"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=51122"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}