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Since I was young an impromptu thought experiment has intermittently popped up in the back of my head that\u2019s made me think deeply about the nature of (my) modern faith.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n Assume that the Church was not restored in 1830, we don\u2019t know anything about the Book of Mormon, and in 2025 somebody knocks on your door and says that God is speaking to man again and that the person\u2019s brother has uncovered gold plates<\/span><\/i> yadda yadda.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n A priori<\/span><\/i> the vast majority of us would not give the person the time of day and would think his brother a little loony if not the Samuel Smith character himself. So how should we treat this any differently now than in 1830? I\u2019ve been mulling over this since grade school, and I\u2019ve gradually come to various conclusions.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n To start with the more explicitly pro-faith one; if God did restore something like that it would be in an era when people could 1) freely choose a radically different, new faith, and 2) were open to this kind of supernatural intervention, so it makes sense for God to restore a Church in 1830 in America in a way that it wouldn\u2019t in 2025 or in, say, medieval Japan. (Also, the Bayesian prior that you are just going to happen to be one of the first converts to God\u2019s true and living Church seems quite low, but of course somebody has to be the first, so it\u2019s good that the early Church converts were probably less snooty and more faithful than I would have been.)\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n Another realization is how much of our beliefs as humans are based in what sociology has termed <\/span>plausibility structures<\/span><\/a> (although I intuited the concept before I learned there was an official term for it). Basically, when other people around you believe something it normalizes it because our gut reaction is that there has to be something to it if so many people hold to it. We can intellectually disagree with the premise as a matter of logic, but it\u2019s a natural reflex. A lot more people are going to find Islam plausible in a country that has been Muslim majority for centuries than would in our hypothetical of a Saudi Arabian Mohammad riding out of the desert in 2025. This may be why <\/span>there is some evidence that Utah Latter-day Saints stay in the Church more<\/span><\/a> (by the way, the author of that piece, Alex at Mormon Metrics has a lot of good stuff on his Substack), although the power of Utah in keeping one in the Church should not be exaggerated, since I believe that the <\/span>Utah \u201csacred canopy\u201d <\/span><\/a>has been punctured by the Internet and popular culture. Still, it matters that we have institutions that socialize us and make things plausible. I mean, in large part that\u2019s kind of what a testimony meeting is. By hearing other people affirm a belief it gives us some more room for that Alma 32 seed of faith (if we want it to, and that\u2019s key). But I\u2019d obviously argue that the difference is that God would accompany our testimonies with an added spirit beyond what you\u2019d get in a pure peer pressure exercise, and that the former is exponentially more important for long-term Church retention than the latter.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n And less you think this just problematizes religious beliefs, atheism was non-plausible across many generations and places. Yes, occasionally you\u2019d get a quiet atheist in 5th century Constantinople, but that was probably about as common as, say, a Catholic who believes in reincarnation or something, and was more of an idiosyncratic personal belief than some systematic framework developed and reinforced by a community and family across time and space. There\u2019s no reason to believe that non-belief in a God\u00a0 is a more natural, independent belief than believing there is one. So while Dawkins thinks he\u2019s scoring some profound point by often pointing out to his audience that if they were born in Ancient Greece they would just as likely be devotees of Zeus, the same can be said for his (non) beliefs and even his moral beliefs such as \u201cslavery is bad.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n For some, intellectual believers have a prominent role in maintaining plausibility structures. In a world where religion often comes under intellectual as much as emotional or social attack, the beliefs of those who are seen as experts or highly intelligent are particularly important in maintaining plausibility structures. Sometimes this is domain specific (e.g. Egyptologists and the Book of Abraham). While they worked in different fields, I think Richard Bushman and Hugh Nibley both fit in this category. Nibley in a sense gave intellectual types permission to believe in the historicity of the ancient Latter-day Saint scriptures, and in a similar process Richard Bushman with the 19th century history when the Internet started shouting all the spicy history from the rooftops. And the critics know this, which is why there was <\/span>that weird hullabaloo<\/span><\/a> back when some people tried to depict Bushman as being a metaphorical believer before Bushman had to personally quash that attempt at controlling his narrative.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n Speaking more generally, this is why people are obsessed with whether Einstein believed in God. (Although if we\u2019re going to take the \u201cwe should believe what smartest person believes\u201d line, then we should all <\/span>be devotees of Lakshmi<\/span><\/a>, the Hindu goddess to whom the probably-smartest-person-ever Indian mathematician Ramanujan credited his mathematical prowess).\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n However, in the end I think belief in something as fundamental as God is visceral more than anything, and comes prior to intellectual argument. To quote probably the most intellectually accomplished ex-Mormon of all time, Nobel prize winner Kip Thorne: \u201c<\/span>There are large numbers of my finest colleagues who are quite devout and believe in God, ranging from an abstract humanist God to a very concrete Catholic or Mormon God. There is no fundamental incompatibility between science and religion. I happen to not believe in God.”\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n In terms of our own particular truth claims, obviously plausibility structures are, technically, illogical, and are a cognitive bias we\u2019re born with. In principle the \u201ccrazy\u201d person on your doorstep in 2025 is just as logical as the Church today. Something shouldn\u2019t be more plausible just because some people believe in it. And plenty of people have believed very illogical things. <\/span>As I\u2019ve noted before<\/span><\/a>, this can be seen <\/span>in the <\/span>interesting history<\/span><\/a> of <\/span>very<\/span><\/a> smart <\/span>people<\/span><\/a> with <\/span>very<\/span><\/a> cooky ideas. <\/span>All of this makes me respect pioneers that fomented the initial growth environments even more, whether in the 19th century or 21st century, and also explains why they are so rare.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n However, as economists will tell you we are not perfect little balls of independent thought that exist in a perfectly objective vacuum operating off of perfect information. We are social creatures that interact and feed off of our environment, and God will use that as a vessel to place the seed of faith in good ground. However, plausibility structure maintenance are for just that, plausibility, we\u2019re not such a hermetically sealed sacred canopy anymore that non-belief is <\/span>implausible<\/span><\/i>, but there\u2019s just enough good earth, whether being raised in Utah or brought to a small branch in Greece by missionaries, for us to seriously consider whether it might, in fact, be true.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" Since I was young an impromptu thought experiment has intermittently popped up in the back of my head that\u2019s made me think deeply about the nature of (my) modern faith.\u00a0 Assume that the Church was not restored in 1830, we don\u2019t know anything about the Book of Mormon, and in 2025 somebody knocks on your door and says that God is speaking to man again and that the person\u2019s brother has uncovered gold plates yadda yadda.\u00a0 A priori the vast majority of us would not give the person the time of day and would think his brother a little loony if not the Samuel Smith character himself. So how should we treat this any differently now than in 1830? I\u2019ve been mulling over this since grade school, and I\u2019ve gradually come to various conclusions.\u00a0 To start with the more explicitly pro-faith one; if God did restore something like that it would be in an era when people could 1) freely choose a radically different, new faith, and 2) were open to this kind of supernatural intervention, so it makes sense for God to restore a Church in 1830 in America in a way that it wouldn\u2019t in 2025 or in, […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":10403,"featured_media":50848,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[53],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-50846","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-latter-day-saint-thought"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/a8172cd5-43fa-4dff-b976-697eb74cc1ca.png","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/50846","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/10403"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=50846"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/50846\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":50850,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/50846\/revisions\/50850"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/50848"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=50846"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=50846"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=50846"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}