{"id":48684,"date":"2025-01-11T03:00:00","date_gmt":"2025-01-11T10:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/?p=48684"},"modified":"2025-05-28T21:22:44","modified_gmt":"2025-05-29T03:22:44","slug":"where-are-the-latter-day-saint-shakespeares-all-around-us","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2025\/01\/where-are-the-latter-day-saint-shakespeares-all-around-us\/","title":{"rendered":"Where are the Latter-day Saint Shakespeares?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-48686 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-12-29-22.45.41-A-depiction-of-a-Mormon-Shakespeare-blending-elements-of-traditional-Elizabethan-Shakespearean-attire-with-subtle-Mormon-influences.-The-figure-is--800x800.webp\" alt=\"\" width=\"344\" height=\"344\" srcset=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-12-29-22.45.41-A-depiction-of-a-Mormon-Shakespeare-blending-elements-of-traditional-Elizabethan-Shakespearean-attire-with-subtle-Mormon-influences.-The-figure-is--800x800.webp 800w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-12-29-22.45.41-A-depiction-of-a-Mormon-Shakespeare-blending-elements-of-traditional-Elizabethan-Shakespearean-attire-with-subtle-Mormon-influences.-The-figure-is--150x150.webp 150w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-12-29-22.45.41-A-depiction-of-a-Mormon-Shakespeare-blending-elements-of-traditional-Elizabethan-Shakespearean-attire-with-subtle-Mormon-influences.-The-figure-is--360x360.webp 360w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-12-29-22.45.41-A-depiction-of-a-Mormon-Shakespeare-blending-elements-of-traditional-Elizabethan-Shakespearean-attire-with-subtle-Mormon-influences.-The-figure-is--260x260.webp 260w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-12-29-22.45.41-A-depiction-of-a-Mormon-Shakespeare-blending-elements-of-traditional-Elizabethan-Shakespearean-attire-with-subtle-Mormon-influences.-The-figure-is--160x160.webp 160w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-12-29-22.45.41-A-depiction-of-a-Mormon-Shakespeare-blending-elements-of-traditional-Elizabethan-Shakespearean-attire-with-subtle-Mormon-influences.-The-figure-is-.webp 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 344px) 100vw, 344px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><em>&#8220;Mormon Shakespeare,&#8221; Not the greatest, but I&#8217;m too cheap to pay the $30 a month for a Midjourney membership to make it better.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Occasionally you have an idea percolating in the back of your head that you intend to eventually develop and write out, only to find that somebody has already quite adequately made the argument, thus relieving you from the obligation to spend time to write it up. Such recently happened with <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.richardhanania.com\/p\/shakespeare-is-fake\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">a Substack piece<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0 I ran across. (And yes, Sam Bankman-Fried is not the paragon of moral or intellectual rigour, and according to Wikipedia the author of the article used to believe some nasty things, but if we insist that every good idea has to come from somebody who\u2019s morally pure we\u2019d never get anywhere.)\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Because they\u2019ve done all the groundwork I won\u2019t rehash the arguments here, you should just read the linked brief article, but to summarize: the author makes a \u201cShakespeare is fake\u201d argument. The old-school humanities used to posit that the past had objectively great, once-in-a-century writers and artists. The Mozarts, Dickens, Shakespearean, or Miltons that we all had to study in high school and college, when statistically there should be dozens if not hundreds of them in the world today given how few people had the option of being a Mozart, suggesting that the old-and-great sense that underlies much of the classic humanities is kind of an \u201cemperor has no clothes\u201d situation. (<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Interestingly, Mark Hoffmann kind of made this point when he composed and forged <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/books\/2000\/apr\/08\/poetry.emilydickinson1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">an Emily Dickinson poem<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> which passed literary muster.)\u00a0<\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/archive.timesandseasons.org\/2022\/02\/why-i-am-not-an-intellectual\/index.html\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Like I have mentioned<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> previously, I had a sense this was true when I finally admitted to myself that many of the \u201cGreat Works\u201d weren&#8217;t so great and didn\u2019t do what some claimed they did, but it was nice to see somebody flesh out the argument.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So what are the implications Church-wise of the \u201cShakespeare is fake\u201d argument?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">One of the favorite quotes in the Mormon arts and literature space is Orson F. Whitney\u2019s quip that we will \u201chave Miltons and Shakespeares of our own\u2026In God\u2019s name and by His help we will build up a literature whose top shall touch heaven, though its foundations may be deep in hell.&#8221;\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Even without God&#8217;s assistance, by pure dint of numbers I suspect Orson F. Whitney&#8217;s prophecy has already come to pass.\u00a0<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Elizabethan England had a population of 4 million people. I\u2019m no expert on gender dynamics in Elizabethan England, but, channeling Virginia Woolf on this topic, I\u2019m assuming women <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/A_Room_of_One's_Own#Judith_Shakespeare\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">didn\u2019t have much of a chance<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> of making it in the playwright world, so cut that in half to 2 million people. Furthermore, only about <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/ourworldindata.org\/grapher\/historical-literacy-in-england-by-sex\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">half of men<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> were literate, so cut that in half again to 1 million people. Plus even the literate men were barely surviving and didn\u2019t have a lot of time or resources to long-hand write-up a manuscript, so now we\u2019re in the hundreds of thousands if not tens of thousands. <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Finally, I doubt there were a lot of slush piles with hidden JK Rowlings back then. I may be wrong, but I assume you had to be even more tapped into the drama world than now to make it as a playwright.\u00a0 At the end of all the numbers, we\u2019ve almost certainly had more than a few Mormon Shakespeares (and for music Mozarts, for art Leonardo Da Vincis). So where are they?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Of course, the \u201cwhere are the Shakespeares?\u201d question is intrinsically tied up with the \u201cShakespeare is fake\u201d argument. The point of all this is that the phenomena of Shakespeare, Mozart, and Da Vinci is not one of miraculous, once-in-a-millenia talent, but rather of the sociological process of canonization by people who think it\u2019s their right to canonize (famously, people didn\u2019t really care for Moby Dick until <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Carl_Van_Doren\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">one of the cool kids<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> said it was great). Since Mark Twain Latter-day Saints have never been popular with the coffee-shop literati, so I doubt any work of Mormon fiction will ever win a Nobel Prize or become the Great American Novel no matter how brilliant. (While not Mormon fiction per se, even our writers that do make it have to deal with <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.wired.com\/story\/brandon-sanderson-is-your-god\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">demeaning nose-holding<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> by said elitist literati.)\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So I suspect we have to engage in a sort of internal canonization process, which to some extent we\u2019ve already done with both the highbrow and lowbrow, whether it\u2019s <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Giant Joshua<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> or <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Great Brain <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">series (and yes, <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Great Brain<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> is technically early-Utah Catholic, but it\u2019s Mormon enough I\u2019m claiming it). Still, if the operating variable is number of people with the literacy, know-how, and spare time to engage in creative pursuits, we should expect more <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Giant Joshua<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">s and <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Great Brain<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><em>s<\/em> coming down the pike (but they\u2019ll have to be shorter to accommodate our shrinking attention spans\u2013ain\u2019t nobody got time for <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Giant Joshua<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> anymore). I\u2019m not terribly surprised that no Robert Frosts came out of the starvation years in early Utah (even if Great Works greatness is an artificial construct it requires at least some talent), but with a much larger and, if Utah is any indication, economically thriving population we now have the bandwidth. (As an aside, during a recent visit to Utah I attended a play at the new Hale Center Theater\u2013wow, much more polished and professional than that charming but somewhat hole-in-the-wall local neighborhood Hale Center Theater in 1990s West Orem I remember).\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In addition to the raw numbers, we can expect our arts and literature to become more developed because of the <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Flynn_effect#Origin_of_term\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Flynn effect<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, or the empirical finding that people all around the world are becoming much, much more intelligent than their ancestors, if we assume intelligence has some kind of a causal relationship with cultural product quality (even if it\u2019s not the whole thing). The reason for the Flynn effect is highly contested (economic development probably explains some, but not all, of it), but the fact is indisputable. More arguably, I\u2019m convinced that popular culture is <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Everything_Bad_Is_Good_for_You\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">becoming more sophisticated and developed<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> across time (e.g. cliched jump scares in horror films don\u2019t do it for us anymore, although I do nostalgically enjoy a predictable <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Cheers<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> re-run now and then). You add all that up together\u2013 more intelligent Mormon genre writers with extra time and resources to write combined with the more sophisticated popular culture environment, and I think we have the potential for a golden age of Mormon arts, cinema, and literature. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I\u2019m not as engaged in the Mormon Lit scene as a reader as I want to be, but I can\u2019t help but think we have some greatness coming down the pike even if I, like most other nonspecialists, rely on signals about greatness from others about whether a particular work is worth my time (although I still cannot for the life of me make it through the first ten pages of <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Harry Potter<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, so maybe my tastes are a bit heterodox). I suspect the problem at this point is culling the mass of manuscripts and selecting and drawing attention to the brilliant gems that are already out there (everybody is working on a book, and if you&#8217;re not then you&#8217;re lying). <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In terms of the arts, I appreciated that the Church committee on the new hymnal was open minded enough to consider original works because, again, I wouldn\u2019t be surprised if we didn\u2019t have a Bach or two or ten in our active membership, and once you take away the historical experience I aesthetically enjoy the Church\u2019s International Art Competition entries as much as I enjoy the Smithsonian Art Museums.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The point is not that the Great Works aren\u2019t great in some sense or another, but that so is so much else, and as our world of experience and knowledge grows beyond the relatively limited scope of what we had access to and time for before, so too will our art, literature, music, and cultural thinking in general.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&#8220;Mormon Shakespeare,&#8221; Not the greatest, but I&#8217;m too cheap to pay the $30 a month for a Midjourney membership to make it better.\u00a0 Occasionally you have an idea percolating in the back of your head that you intend to eventually develop and write out, only to find that somebody has already quite adequately made the argument, thus relieving you from the obligation to spend time to write it up. Such recently happened with a Substack piece\u00a0 I ran across. (And yes, Sam Bankman-Fried is not the paragon of moral or intellectual rigour, and according to Wikipedia the author of the article used to believe some nasty things, but if we insist that every good idea has to come from somebody who\u2019s morally pure we\u2019d never get anywhere.)\u00a0 Because they\u2019ve done all the groundwork I won\u2019t rehash the arguments here, you should just read the linked brief article, but to summarize: the author makes a \u201cShakespeare is fake\u201d argument. The old-school humanities used to posit that the past had objectively great, once-in-a-century writers and artists. The Mozarts, Dickens, Shakespearean, or Miltons that we all had to study in high school and college, when statistically there should be dozens if not hundreds [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":10403,"featured_media":48686,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[23,2885],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-48684","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-creative","category-language-and-literature"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/DALL\u00b7E-2024-12-29-22.45.41-A-depiction-of-a-Mormon-Shakespeare-blending-elements-of-traditional-Elizabethan-Shakespearean-attire-with-subtle-Mormon-influences.-The-figure-is-.webp","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/48684","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/10403"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=48684"}],"version-history":[{"count":19,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/48684\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":48869,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/48684\/revisions\/48869"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/48686"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=48684"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=48684"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=48684"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}