{"id":47460,"date":"2024-06-21T05:00:24","date_gmt":"2024-06-21T11:00:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.timesandseasons.org\/?p=47460"},"modified":"2024-06-20T21:59:28","modified_gmt":"2024-06-21T03:59:28","slug":"the-state-of-israel-follow-up","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2024\/06\/the-state-of-israel-follow-up\/","title":{"rendered":"The State of Israel, Follow Up"},"content":{"rendered":"

So quite the discussion<\/a> a few weeks ago, and my apologies for returning to it since the last one got a little heated. I did mean the post as a Bloggernacle topic, or how do we interpret the issue of the State of Israel in in terms of our religion? Again, that\u2019s why I brought up my teachers\u2019 quorum adviser\u2019s comments those many years ago. A few commentators said I should not bring up Jesus, but again, the point of the post was to think about this topic in religious terms. The point was our religious constructs and not simply a debate over foreign policy. Like I said a few times on the post, many experts say that solutions aren\u2019t likely, and I have no illusions to solving the problem myself. However, I am against the idea that because solutions are illusive that Israel needs to \u201cdefend itself\u201d and keep doing what it\u2019s doing in Gaza. I oppose Israel’s actions in Gaza and I oppose US military support for the State of Israel for the reasons I listed in the previous post.
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\nThough no one brought it up, my sense is that LDS and US citizens have tended to support Israel for religious reasons. That\u2019s what I wanted to state my objections to. I found these statements<\/a> from Orthodox Rabbis rejecting Zionism to be interesting.<\/p>\n

A few expressed strong opposition to my citing reports that called into question that Hamas committed mass rape on October 7th. Just a few days after my post, The Times<\/em> of London<\/a> also called such claims of mass rape into question. I suppose the Times<\/em> is more acceptably mainstream. It\u2019s behind a paywall, but here\u2019s a nice summary by Breaking Points<\/a>. Again, I don\u2019t claim superior knowledge of these topics, but I don\u2019t think it\u2019s beyond the pale to discuss them.<\/p>\n

So I won\u2019t say I know for sure all what happened on October 7th, but will point out that colonizers making such claims of \u201csavagery\u201d by the colonized is common. I thought this summary from Owen Jones on stats related to Palestinian life under Israeli occupation<\/a> from 2008 to October 6th to be telling. 96% of the fatalities between the Israelis and Palestinians have been Israelis killing Palestinians. That\u2019s a 15 year period, but strikes me as indicative: bad things have happened on both sides, but the bad things have\u00a0 overwhelmingly been done by the Israelis.<\/p>\n

And a useful discussion between Glenn Greenwald and Tucker Carlson<\/a> talking about, among other things, the attempts of Zionists to shut down free speech in the US.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

So quite the discussion a few weeks ago, and my apologies for returning to it since the last one got a little heated. I did mean the post as a Bloggernacle topic, or how do we interpret the issue of the State of Israel in in terms of our religion? Again, that\u2019s why I brought up my teachers\u2019 quorum adviser\u2019s comments those many years ago. A few commentators said I should not bring up Jesus, but again, the point of the post was to think about this topic in religious terms. The point was our religious constructs and not simply a debate over foreign policy. Like I said a few times on the post, many experts say that solutions aren\u2019t likely, and I have no illusions to solving the problem myself. However, I am against the idea that because solutions are illusive that Israel needs to \u201cdefend itself\u201d and keep doing what it\u2019s doing in Gaza. I oppose Israel’s actions in Gaza and I oppose US military support for the State of Israel for the reasons I listed in the previous post.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":10406,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[53],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-47460","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-latter-day-saint-thought"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/47460","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/10406"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=47460"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/47460\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":47475,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/47460\/revisions\/47475"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=47460"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=47460"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=47460"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}