{"id":47390,"date":"2024-06-18T02:05:12","date_gmt":"2024-06-18T08:05:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/?p=47390"},"modified":"2025-05-28T20:31:07","modified_gmt":"2025-05-29T02:31:07","slug":"from-whence-muhammad","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2024\/06\/from-whence-muhammad\/","title":{"rendered":"From Whence Muhammad?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-47394 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/maxresdefault-800x450.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"415\" height=\"238\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><em>Fun fact: One of the most prominent movies about the life of Muhammad (who, out of respect for Sunni Muslim sensitivities, is never actually shown onscreen) was produced and directed by Latter-day Saint Richard Rich, who has also done some Book of Mormon films, and whose aesthetic you might recognize from movies like the Swan Princess. \u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Muhammed occupies an interesting place in Latter-day Saint thought. On one hand, Joseph Smith was often compared to Muhammad in the 19th century, and there are a lot of points of similarity with the idea of a true faith being restored to an unlearned prophet visited by angelic messengers who was able to create an extensive work of religious literature (or oral recitation that eventually became literature in there case of Muhammad).\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">On the pro-Muhammad side,<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.churchofjesuschrist.org\/study\/ensign\/2000\/08\/a-latter-day-saint-perspective-on-muhammad?lang=eng\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> there a variety of GA quotes that make the case that Muhammad was inspired by God<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. Of course, the Church and Islam are theologically incompatible on various important points, so while interfaith dialogue, support, and outreach is important (I\u2019ve been particularly moved by <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.thechurchnews.com\/living-faith\/2024\/04\/15\/muslims-latter-day-saints-ramadan-eid-italy-ghana-meetinghouses\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">accounts of the Church offering meetinghouse space to Muslims<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">), at the end of the day the two faiths are obviously not going to merge any time soon, so for a TBM to believe Muhammad was inspired would require also believing that there is some slippage between the historical Muhammad and what eventually became Islam. This is a valid perspective (and one that Islam itself holds in regards to Christ and Christianity), and is not an unlikely scenario given what we know about religious evolution and the messy transmission of scripture.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This is a comfortable position for Latter-day Saints to take. We can sympathize. In my experience, when the restored gospel has come up with non-member religionist acquaintances they are often very polite and talk about the good fruits of the Church, but things tend to get quiet when Joseph Smith comes up. You can tell they\u2019re thinking \u201cconman,\u201d but they have no desire to make things awkward by telling us what they think about him, nor would I in their situation.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">On a similar note, even if I believed that Muhammad was an entrepreneurial conman, I would have no desire to bring it up with my Muslim associates. Of course, I strongly believe that historians and religious studies scholars who want to make that point in their work should be able to safely, but as a civilian I have no such desire or need.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So what\u2019s my take? I\u2019m open both to the possibility that he was an actual prophet called of God in some capacity\u2026.but I\u2019m also open to the possibility that he was a conman, and I don\u2019t feel an obligation to hold the former position simply because of the parallels with Mormonism. Many years ago I read sort of a \u201cNo Man Knows My History\u201d take on Muhammad, and the arguments seemed to make sense. Muhammad even had his own Joshua in Canaan moment when he killed every man and enslaved all the women and children in an enemy Jewish tribe. Yes, many good things came out of Islam, but the detractors have points too, and the higher criticism take that he started out more charitable but became more authoritarian as his power grew also makes sense in a higher criticism-y kind of way.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">On that note, I get the sense that we are closer to the \u201chistorical Muhammad\u201d than we are to the \u201chistorical Jesus\u201d so the Muhammad arguments seemed less speculative, but I might be wrong. <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Historiographically speaking Jesus could have been any number of a billion different things; we are a little more restricted with Muhammad both because he is more recent and the scriptures were written down sooner after his death, but there\u2019s still some space for slippage.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Of course, there are apologist explanations and takes, and I remember going back and forth with that literature briefly before losing interest, so maybe there\u2019s a rock solid response to the detractors and I could be convinced that he was good enough to be prophet material, but it\u2019s one of those things that is not an important enough part of my life to invest the time and energy into to meet the minimum requirement to have a justified strong position one way or another. So, because I have not invested such energy (which is a high bar; anybody wanting to claim that they have and that he&#8217;s come out as prophet material on the other end also needs to be intimately knowledgeable about and aware of the negative claims, and not just all the warm fuzzies), my confidence intervals for who he was are pretty broad, ranging from being a called prophet (our own theology of dispensations and prophets among various peoples around the world allows for the possibility in principle) to being a psychopathic conman. However, I am open to the latter, and do not feel an obligation to foreclose that possibility out of politeness or because of the parallels with Mormonism. <\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp; Fun fact: One of the most prominent movies about the life of Muhammad (who, out of respect for Sunni Muslim sensitivities, is never actually shown onscreen) was produced and directed by Latter-day Saint Richard Rich, who has also done some Book of Mormon films, and whose aesthetic you might recognize from movies like the Swan Princess. \u00a0 Muhammed occupies an interesting place in Latter-day Saint thought. On one hand, Joseph Smith was often compared to Muhammad in the 19th century, and there are a lot of points of similarity with the idea of a true faith being restored to an unlearned prophet visited by angelic messengers who was able to create an extensive work of religious literature (or oral recitation that eventually became literature in there case of Muhammad).\u00a0\u00a0 On the pro-Muhammad side, there a variety of GA quotes that make the case that Muhammad was inspired by God. Of course, the Church and Islam are theologically incompatible on various important points, so while interfaith dialogue, support, and outreach is important (I\u2019ve been particularly moved by accounts of the Church offering meetinghouse space to Muslims), at the end of the day the two faiths are obviously not going to [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":10403,"featured_media":47394,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[41],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-47390","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-comparative-religion"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/maxresdefault.jpg","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/47390","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/10403"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=47390"}],"version-history":[{"count":9,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/47390\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":50257,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/47390\/revisions\/50257"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/47394"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=47390"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=47390"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=47390"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}