{"id":47096,"date":"2024-05-01T05:03:51","date_gmt":"2024-05-01T11:03:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.timesandseasons.org\/?p=47096"},"modified":"2024-05-01T06:51:23","modified_gmt":"2024-05-01T12:51:23","slug":"what-historical-claims-does-god-insist-that-we-believe","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2024\/05\/what-historical-claims-does-god-insist-that-we-believe\/","title":{"rendered":"What Historical Claims Does God Insist We Believe?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I mean that question in terms of scriptural claims, especially related to the Old Testament. Readers may be aware of scholarly skepticism of the existence of major biblical figures and events and I\u2019ve often gotten the sense from my fellow members and other Christians of seeing scholars with such views as problematic, secular people not properly holding biblical claims as they ought.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m well aware of the limits of historical study, but also think that historical methods and lots of work by scholars as a whole do tell us something. I don\u2019t think scholars in any field go about what they do as some kind of malicious pact with the devil. Scholars are happy to debate with each other so though I\u2019m not arguing that scholarly consensus is anything like infallible (consensus can certainly be overturned), but for, me, scholarly consensus suggest a whole lot of work and evidence. Thus if there is consensus on something, I believe scholars have come to that position in good faith. I do not feel the need to hold doggedly to all scriptural historical claims, nor do I believe that God insists that I do so.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>For instance, my understanding is that there is <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Moses#Historicity\">pretty close to consensus that Moses did not exist<\/a>, that nothing described about the exodus or conquest of Canaan actually happened. I understand many feeling like Moses is a big deal with all kinds of theological and historical tie ins to things Mormons believe. But I don\u2019t believe that God insists that I believe in Moses, or a whole host of other biblical figures predating him of dubious historicity.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m happy to be proven wrong about all these events and people, but I also believe that historical inquiry does give some indication of what happened in the past. And such a study is a worthwhile thing.<\/p>\n<p>So just as a playful thought experiment, I don\u2019t anticipate afterlife judgment being God holding open the OT and asking whether the judged believed all its characters were historical and confining people to lower kingdoms if they did not. Instead I think the questions will be more like Matthew 25:31-46.*<\/p>\n<p>The bottom line for me is that I do think we can embrace \u201cscholarship\u201d (I put in quotes since I certainly know there is a lot of debates, but again, I think consensus may point to useful ideas) on these topics, <a href=\"https:\/\/juvenileinstructor.org\/study-and-faith-4-adjusting-beliefs\/\">make a few adjustments to beliefs<\/a>, and still be practicing Christians and Latter-Day Saints. Are we really \u201crequired\u201d to reject such scholarship in the face of overwhelming evidence? Again, making theological adjustments seems very doable (something I\u2019ve done a lot of).<\/p>\n<p>______<\/p>\n<p>* And as a side note, I also think that the reference to \u201cmy brethren\u201d in v. 40 suggests community building since Jesus said, \u201cwhosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother,\u201d in Matthew 12:50 and Jesus made it pretty clear that those who followed him were those who did God\u2019s will (a Jehovah\u2019s Witness pointed this out to me many years ago. What do you think?) I\u2019ll post more on that later.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I mean that question in terms of scriptural claims, especially related to the Old Testament. Readers may be aware of scholarly skepticism of the existence of major biblical figures and events and I\u2019ve often gotten the sense from my fellow members and other Christians of seeing scholars with such views as problematic, secular people not properly holding biblical claims as they ought. I\u2019m well aware of the limits of historical study, but also think that historical methods and lots of work by scholars as a whole do tell us something. I don\u2019t think scholars in any field go about what they do as some kind of malicious pact with the devil. Scholars are happy to debate with each other so though I\u2019m not arguing that scholarly consensus is anything like infallible (consensus can certainly be overturned), but for, me, scholarly consensus suggest a whole lot of work and evidence. Thus if there is consensus on something, I believe scholars have come to that position in good faith. I do not feel the need to hold doggedly to all scriptural historical claims, nor do I believe that God insists that I do so.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":10406,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[53],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-47096","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-latter-day-saint-thought"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/47096","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/10406"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=47096"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/47096\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":47105,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/47096\/revisions\/47105"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=47096"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=47096"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=47096"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}