{"id":46107,"date":"2023-12-11T05:00:57","date_gmt":"2023-12-11T12:00:57","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/?p=46107"},"modified":"2023-12-08T11:29:19","modified_gmt":"2023-12-08T18:29:19","slug":"why-i-dont-care-about-the-doctrine-practice-distinction","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2023\/12\/why-i-dont-care-about-the-doctrine-practice-distinction\/","title":{"rendered":"Why I Don&#8217;t Care About the Doctrine\/Practice Distinction"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-46108 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/df0b1c48-6c3a-4c62-b971-f774d1fd5898-800x800.webp\" alt=\"\" width=\"356\" height=\"356\" srcset=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/df0b1c48-6c3a-4c62-b971-f774d1fd5898-800x800.webp 800w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/df0b1c48-6c3a-4c62-b971-f774d1fd5898-150x150.webp 150w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/df0b1c48-6c3a-4c62-b971-f774d1fd5898-360x360.webp 360w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/df0b1c48-6c3a-4c62-b971-f774d1fd5898-260x260.webp 260w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/df0b1c48-6c3a-4c62-b971-f774d1fd5898-160x160.webp 160w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/df0b1c48-6c3a-4c62-b971-f774d1fd5898.webp 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 356px) 100vw, 356px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><em>Dalle-3 depiction of &#8220;Legalistic religion&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">One of those interminable discussions we members like to get into is whether a particular teaching is a \u201cdoctrine\u201d or \u201cpractice.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The issue behind the issue is what is changeable or not. Presumably if something is defined as core then stakes are placed in the ground and it is beyond discussion. At the same time if the \u201cdoctrine\u201d label is used as conversation stopper for current teachings, the \u201cpractice\u201d label is imputed to past teachings that did change, even if leaders at the time specifically said they wouldn\u2019t change. At times it feels like it\u2019s an attempt to have a cake and eat it too, to be able to dismiss past teachings that aren\u2019t followed anymore, while granting privileged permanence to the current ones.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">People occasionally claim there\u2019s some system very clearly demarcating the two: if it\u2019s presented to the Church as a sustaining vote as canon, if it has passed through the correlation committee, if it\u2019s a revelation that says \u201cthus saith the Lord,\u201d if it\u2019s in the quad, whether Joseph Smith taught it, etc., but taking a step back I\u2019ve always gotten the sense that these are post-hoc parameters that are thrown up to try to turn the gospel into some sort of systematic, legal schematic. Besides, they beg the question of what those rules are based on, and in many cases you can find disconfirming counterexamples that checked a particular box but are still not held up as doctrine anymore.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Latter-day Saint personal epistemology of belief is rooted in a numinous, personal, revelatory experience, not legal\/rational argument like some other faiths. The Restoration was founded on an unlearned boy \u201cdriving the plough\u201d receiving eternal truths from Gods and angels, Moroni did not did not unload a multivolume legal treatise on Joseph Smith delineating specifically which institutional triggers have to go off for something to be considered binding, as if our discipleship is based on \u201ccommanding in all things\u201d and legal coercion. With a few exceptions such as disciplinary courts and baptism protocol, the D&amp;C is relatively sparse on legalistic details. Even the endowment has always been seen as a work in progress.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Again, I think that\u2019s a feature more than a bug; this isn\u2019t a case of \u201choly envy\u201d of religions where the core is more legalistically demarcated from the periphery. \u201cThere are greater things in heaven and in earth\u2026\u201d and all that, but there is still enough structure to not lapse into doctrinal nihilism.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If God meant to manage His Kingdom by some legal\/rational schema, Joseph Smith would have had a successor tidily picked out, with a revelation clearly outlining the laws of Apostolic succession far in advance. God didn\u2019t give one. It was up to the Saints to use their own discernment to figure it out in the chaotic aftermath of the martyrdom. We like simple rules and heuristics\u2014they\u2019re comfortable, but we have to use our own discernment too, and again I think this is a good thing. Overreliance on some systematic schema can make our own discernment atrophy from disuse.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This is not to make an argument for hierarchical anarchy when it comes to teachings. I do believe that there are concentric circles of authoritativeness for contemporary Church teaching. If I had to make a diagram it would go something like: the D&amp;C at the core, followed by statements made with the unanimous authority of the First Presidency and Quorum of the 12, followed by statements made by the President of the Church in formal setting, then statements made by the other leaders, etc., with the more \u201cdoctrinal\u201d core items more to the interior, and the more flexible policy items on the outside.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Still, this is in general. The point I am making is that, with the possible exception of the D&amp;C, our theology is not nearly systematic enough to claim that there is some kind of airtight, unambiguous schema about where exactly the boundaries between different tiers of authoritativeness end and begin. Rather, Latter-day Saint \u201cdoctrine\u201d is more of a system of overlapping Wittgensteinian \u201cfamily resemblances.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Again, that is not an excuse to simply dismiss the words of the prophets. As members we should logically \u201cdoubt the doubts\u201d of items closer to the core if we have received revelation that the whole is true, but still, there isn\u2019t some roadmap that we can just follow on autopilot without using our own spiritual discernment. If President Nelson hit his head tomorrow, released his counselors, appointed new ones, and announced with the unanimity of the First Presidency that Chtulhu is the only God with which we are to do, I think I\u2019m safe disregarding that bit of authoritative prophetic teaching.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Of course, nine times out of ten this line of thought goes directly to \u201csee, and therefore the Church should adopt [insert conveniently fashionable social view here]\u201d when one doesn\u2019t necessarily follow from the other.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">For the Church to function you do kind of need a \u201cfollow the prophet\u201d ethos, especially when God keeps having the Church do very counterintuitive things that turn out in the end. Already experiencing extreme persecution? I know, <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">let\u2019s introduce polygamy<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. We can either settle sunny, green San Diego or a salty desert. Let\u2019s go to Utah!\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The history of the Church is a history of an institution operating against the comfortable, conceived wisdom, that counterintuitively became larger than many of the faiths that took the easier roads. There is no way that would have happened had we not had a strong, centralized hierarchy of authority. Still, unless we are so incredibly restrictive about what we define as \u201cdoctrine\u201d that hardly anything is left in that category, there really isn\u2019t a clear legalistic schematic for determining in the contemporaneous moment which prophetic counsel will be deemed clearly inspired in generations to come versus which ones will be sort of relegated to the back shelf, of interest mostly to ex-Mo redditors and history nerds. (Don\u2019t worry, the difficulty in knowing which beliefs will stand the test of time probably applies to your liberal or conservative political views as well.)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And I suspect most members grasp this intuitively. There\u2019s a certain class of member that loves to point out that the Proc has not been canonized. That\u2019s true, but even if it was I doubt it would actually change the minds of members who see it as problematic simply because it technically passed through the filter from \u201cquasi-canonical\u201d to \u201ccanonical,\u201d so why don\u2019t we talk about the substance of the thing instead of relying on an appeal-to-technicality?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ultimately, the Church\u2019s teachings provide the overall scaffolding and structure, and there\u2019s no reason why the same spiritual discernment that leads one to embrace the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as God\u2019s Kingdom can\u2019t also be used to parse out the true \u201cdoctrine\u201d from the \u201cpractices\u201d while using the concentric circles of authority as general guides.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Dalle-3 depiction of &#8220;Legalistic religion&#8221; One of those interminable discussions we members like to get into is whether a particular teaching is a \u201cdoctrine\u201d or \u201cpractice.\u201d\u00a0 The issue behind the issue is what is changeable or not. Presumably if something is defined as core then stakes are placed in the ground and it is beyond discussion. At the same time if the \u201cdoctrine\u201d label is used as conversation stopper for current teachings, the \u201cpractice\u201d label is imputed to past teachings that did change, even if leaders at the time specifically said they wouldn\u2019t change. At times it feels like it\u2019s an attempt to have a cake and eat it too, to be able to dismiss past teachings that aren\u2019t followed anymore, while granting privileged permanence to the current ones.\u00a0 People occasionally claim there\u2019s some system very clearly demarcating the two: if it\u2019s presented to the Church as a sustaining vote as canon, if it has passed through the correlation committee, if it\u2019s a revelation that says \u201cthus saith the Lord,\u201d if it\u2019s in the quad, whether Joseph Smith taught it, etc., but taking a step back I\u2019ve always gotten the sense that these are post-hoc parameters that are thrown up [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":10403,"featured_media":46108,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[18],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-46107","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-general-doctrine"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/df0b1c48-6c3a-4c62-b971-f774d1fd5898.webp","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/46107","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/10403"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=46107"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/46107\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":46122,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/46107\/revisions\/46122"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/46108"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=46107"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=46107"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=46107"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}