{"id":45039,"date":"2023-06-22T19:52:40","date_gmt":"2023-06-23T02:52:40","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/?p=45039"},"modified":"2025-05-28T08:18:13","modified_gmt":"2025-05-28T14:18:13","slug":"when-will-we-be-done-with-temple-work","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2023\/06\/when-will-we-be-done-with-temple-work\/","title":{"rendered":"When Will We Be &#8220;Done&#8221; With Temple Work?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-45077 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/scranney_Mormon_temple_surrounded_by_people_from_different_ethn_413c6109-f031-4549-9673-57e8d42d0781-800x800.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"472\" height=\"472\" srcset=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/scranney_Mormon_temple_surrounded_by_people_from_different_ethn_413c6109-f031-4549-9673-57e8d42d0781-800x800.png 800w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/scranney_Mormon_temple_surrounded_by_people_from_different_ethn_413c6109-f031-4549-9673-57e8d42d0781-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/scranney_Mormon_temple_surrounded_by_people_from_different_ethn_413c6109-f031-4549-9673-57e8d42d0781-360x360.png 360w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/scranney_Mormon_temple_surrounded_by_people_from_different_ethn_413c6109-f031-4549-9673-57e8d42d0781-260x260.png 260w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/scranney_Mormon_temple_surrounded_by_people_from_different_ethn_413c6109-f031-4549-9673-57e8d42d0781-160x160.png 160w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/scranney_Mormon_temple_surrounded_by_people_from_different_ethn_413c6109-f031-4549-9673-57e8d42d0781.png 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 472px) 100vw, 472px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-45086 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/scranney_Mormon_temple_surrounded_by_people_from_different_ethn_9eeb8cfc-faea-42ee-9513-f8915d3d851c-800x800.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"424\" height=\"424\" srcset=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/scranney_Mormon_temple_surrounded_by_people_from_different_ethn_9eeb8cfc-faea-42ee-9513-f8915d3d851c-800x800.png 800w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/scranney_Mormon_temple_surrounded_by_people_from_different_ethn_9eeb8cfc-faea-42ee-9513-f8915d3d851c-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/scranney_Mormon_temple_surrounded_by_people_from_different_ethn_9eeb8cfc-faea-42ee-9513-f8915d3d851c-360x360.png 360w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/scranney_Mormon_temple_surrounded_by_people_from_different_ethn_9eeb8cfc-faea-42ee-9513-f8915d3d851c-260x260.png 260w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/scranney_Mormon_temple_surrounded_by_people_from_different_ethn_9eeb8cfc-faea-42ee-9513-f8915d3d851c-160x160.png 160w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/scranney_Mormon_temple_surrounded_by_people_from_different_ethn_9eeb8cfc-faea-42ee-9513-f8915d3d851c.png 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 424px) 100vw, 424px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">There must be this chain in the holy Priesthood; it must be welded together from the latest generation that lives on the earth back to Father Adam, to bring back all that can be saved and placed where they can receive salvation and a glory in some kingdom. This Priesthood has to do it; this Priesthood is for this purpose.<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">-Brigham Young<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">According to casual Latter-day Saint folk theology the millennium will be a time of massive temple work. Less casually, a lot of relatively authoritative general authority midrash has suggested that the hypothetical end point for temple work is the complete sealing and temple work for all humans who have ever lived. So of course I\u2019ve been curious about how much temple work that is. The specific numbers aren&#8217;t as important here as much as the general sense of scale and scope.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">According to the Wikipedia article on the subject, some estimates suggest that <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Estimates_of_historical_world_population#:~:text=Recent%20estimates%20of%20the%20%22total,the%20order%20of%20100%20billion\">about 100 billion humans<\/a> have ever lived<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Estimates_of_historical_world_population#:~:text=Recent%20estimates%20of%20the%20%22total,the%20order%20of%20100%20billion.\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">.<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Of course, for our purposes how big this number is depends on when we crossed the developmental threshold as a species to become \u201cas the Gods, knowing good and evil\u201d and became subject to the demands of accountability and its attendant ordinances.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Still, for our purposes let\u2019s assume the nice round 100 billion number. The temple department has reported that as of 1988 about <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thechurchnews.com\/1988\/8\/27\/23263702\/endowments-bless-the-living-and-dead#:~:text=The%20100%20million%20endowments%20have,the%20temple%20to%20perform%20them.\">100 million endowments have been performed<\/a><\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, which probably means that about 1-3 out of every thousand people who have ever lived have had their work done for them (ignoring possible redundancies and inadvertent repeats). We obviously still have a ways to go, with dozens of millenia before we finish \u201cthe list\u201d (which is constantly growing) at the current rate. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-45085 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/scranney_Mormon_temple_surrounded_by_people_from_different_ethn_3c91ded7-4ede-4a76-b276-24a2220b62ed-800x800.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"425\" height=\"425\" srcset=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/scranney_Mormon_temple_surrounded_by_people_from_different_ethn_3c91ded7-4ede-4a76-b276-24a2220b62ed-800x800.png 800w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/scranney_Mormon_temple_surrounded_by_people_from_different_ethn_3c91ded7-4ede-4a76-b276-24a2220b62ed-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/scranney_Mormon_temple_surrounded_by_people_from_different_ethn_3c91ded7-4ede-4a76-b276-24a2220b62ed-360x360.png 360w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/scranney_Mormon_temple_surrounded_by_people_from_different_ethn_3c91ded7-4ede-4a76-b276-24a2220b62ed-260x260.png 260w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/scranney_Mormon_temple_surrounded_by_people_from_different_ethn_3c91ded7-4ede-4a76-b276-24a2220b62ed-160x160.png 160w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/scranney_Mormon_temple_surrounded_by_people_from_different_ethn_3c91ded7-4ede-4a76-b276-24a2220b62ed.png 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 425px) 100vw, 425px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How much effort would that take? Let\u2019s assume that:<\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">One combined baptism\/confirmation for the dead takes about half a minute for each person. \u00a0<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>And<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>One complete set of sealings (parent to child and spouse to spouse) per person takes about one minute.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>And<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A full endowment\/washings\/anointings session takes about 1.5 hours per person. <\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Of course, the time for the latter has varied quite dramatically across Church history, <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">as different elements have been added and taken away (mostly taken away), but it has inclined towards more and more brevity. <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Brother Brigham this is not arranged right but we have done the best we could under the circumstances in which we are placed, and I wish you to take this matter in hand and organize and systematize all these ceremonies with the signs, tokens, penalties and key words.\u2019 I did so, and each time I got something more, so that when we went through the temple at Nauvoo I understood and knew how to place them there. We had our ceremonies pretty correct.\u00a0<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Organizing it correctly has been a 150-year old long endeavor. Oftentimes the things dropped were the things most patently masonic as the superstructure that the ordinance was layered over became less necessary. But here I assume that the final, definitive, endowment-type ritual and washings and anointings is 1.5 hours. Maybe some of our ancestors get \u201ccredit\u201d for their culture-specific sacrifices, washes and anointings, and Elysian type or Osiris-rite type endowments (on this topic I am very much a Nibleyite), but I assume this group is negligible (but who knows, maybe God had an endowment among the early East African hunter gatherers).\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">My understanding is that there used to be 2nd-anointings-for-the-dead, but for these calculations I\u2019m only including the current categorical sets of temple rites.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If we assume the millennium conjecture, where Christ comes down and almost everybody becomes a member and is involved in temple work, let\u2019s say we have 1 billion active, temple-working members. Of course there\u2019s a gendered component here if women have not received the priesthood by then, so each of the 500 million men are responsible for performing 200 baptisms\/confirmations and being baptized\/confirmed for 100 people, while each of the women are responsible for being baptized\/confirmed for 100 people. So assuming 30 seconds per baptism\/confirmation that means 2.5 hours work for each man and 50 minutes for each woman until every human who has ever existed will be baptized by proxy. (Of course, whether they accept is a different issue). Since sealings are twice as much per person in our model (with the same gendered component with sealers), we&#8217;ll just double that for sealing with 5 hours of work per man and 1 hour and 40 minutes of work per woman.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Endowments\/washings\/anointings are much, much more time obviously. Even with 1 billion temple attenders, each person would be responsible for 100 names, which would take several months if they performed one endowment a day. At\u00a0this point the number of temples would have to be along the lines of the number of schools or polling places to accommodate all the temple work.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>In terms of the general topline, &#8220;completing&#8221; temple work is doable\u00a0<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">if we assume the existence of a one-billion phalanx of temple attenders (and the comprehensive genealogy chart from the sky), but if we simply extrapolate out our current rate of temple productivity it will take dozens of thousands of years. On a more this-worldly note, in theory we could run out of names if we&#8217;re limiting ourselves to those that are retrievable through earthly genealogical means, but I haven&#8217;t the foggiest how many people that is, so I wouldn&#8217;t even know where to begin speculating.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Of course, maybe after the Second Coming God will just wave His hand and deem everybody &#8220;baptized&#8221; and &#8220;endowed&#8221;; I&#8217;m open to that possibility, but given my take on the patterns in the scriptures that sort of <em style=\"font-weight: 400;\">dues ex\u00a0<\/em><i>machina<\/i>\u00a0is quite rare, and I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if the concreteness and distinctiveness of individually-performed ordinances will still be required.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>There must be this chain in the holy Priesthood; it must be welded together from the latest generation that lives on the earth back to Father Adam, to bring back all that can be saved and placed where they can receive salvation and a glory in some kingdom. This Priesthood has to do it; this Priesthood is for this purpose. -Brigham Young According to casual Latter-day Saint folk theology the millennium will be a time of massive temple work. Less casually, a lot of relatively authoritative general authority midrash has suggested that the hypothetical end point for temple work is the complete sealing and temple work for all humans who have ever lived. So of course I\u2019ve been curious about how much temple work that is. The specific numbers aren&#8217;t as important here as much as the general sense of scale and scope.\u00a0 According to the Wikipedia article on the subject, some estimates suggest that about 100 billion humans have ever lived. Of course, for our purposes how big this number is depends on when we crossed the developmental threshold as a species to become \u201cas the Gods, knowing good and evil\u201d and became subject to the demands of accountability [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":10403,"featured_media":45077,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2900],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-45039","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-temples"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/scranney_Mormon_temple_surrounded_by_people_from_different_ethn_413c6109-f031-4549-9673-57e8d42d0781.png","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/45039","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/10403"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=45039"}],"version-history":[{"count":23,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/45039\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":50205,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/45039\/revisions\/50205"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/45077"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=45039"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=45039"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=45039"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}