{"id":44984,"date":"2023-06-07T13:39:51","date_gmt":"2023-06-07T20:39:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.timesandseasons.org\/?p=44984"},"modified":"2023-06-07T15:35:54","modified_gmt":"2023-06-07T22:35:54","slug":"as-far-as-we-have-any-right-to-give-a-note-about-abraham-facsimile-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2023\/06\/as-far-as-we-have-any-right-to-give-a-note-about-abraham-facsimile-2\/","title":{"rendered":"\u201cAs far as we have any right to give.\u201d A Note about Abraham Facsimile 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The re-use of characters from JSP IX on Facsimile 2 doesn\u2019t mean that the marginal characters in Abraham manuscripts A-C weren\u2019t used in the translation. I think it actually makes it more likely that they were.<\/p>\n<p>Before I unpack what this means, you might want to read the published version of Tim Barker\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.fairlatterdaysaints.org\/conference\/2020-fairmormon-conference\/the-answer-under-our-heads\">2020 FAIR presentation<\/a> or Jeff Lindsay\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.arisefromthedust.com\/a-gift-from-early-anti-mormon-attack-on\/\">summary<\/a>.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>To briefly recap: There are four lines of characters from an extant papyrus fragment (known as JSP XI)\u2026<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.josephsmithpapers.org\/paper-summary\/fragment-of-book-of-breathing-for-horos-a-between-238-and-circa-153-bc\/1\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-44985\" src=\"https:\/\/www.timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/gael-10-1-800x432.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"432\" srcset=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/gael-10-1-800x432.jpg 800w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/gael-10-1-360x195.jpg 360w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/gael-10-1-260x141.jpg 260w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/gael-10-1-160x86.jpg 160w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/gael-10-1.jpg 1147w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&#8230;that are aligned with the scriptural text of Abraham 1-2 in the margin of the three Book of Abraham manuscripts.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.josephsmithpapers.org\/paper-summary\/book-of-abraham-manuscript-circa-july-circa-november-1835-c-abraham-11-218\/3\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-44986\" src=\"https:\/\/www.timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/gael-10-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"617\" height=\"144\" srcset=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/gael-10-2.jpg 617w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/gael-10-2-360x84.jpg 360w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/gael-10-2-260x61.jpg 260w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/gael-10-2-160x37.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 617px) 100vw, 617px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>As Barker points out, and as noted in passing in 1968 by Grant Heward and Jerald Tanner, character sequences from these same four lines were used to supplement damaged areas of the papyrus that appears in the Book of Abraham as Facsimile 2.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.josephsmithpapers.org\/paper-summary\/book-of-abraham-excerpt-and-facsimile-2-15-march-1842-abraham-219-521\/5\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-44987\" src=\"https:\/\/www.timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/gael-10-5a-800x389.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"389\" srcset=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/gael-10-5a-800x389.jpg 800w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/gael-10-5a-360x175.jpg 360w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/gael-10-5a-260x126.jpg 260w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/gael-10-5a-160x78.jpg 160w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/gael-10-5a.jpg 1347w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Barker points out that Joseph Smith identified all the places on Facsimile 2 that make use of these characters as passages that he was not authorized to translate at the present time. From this, Barker draws the conclusion that Joseph Smith \u201cnever translated JSP XI\u201d; he sees the \u201cGrammar and Alphabet of the Egyptian Language\u201d and marginal characters in the Abraham manuscripts as part of a secular and experimental linguistic project primarily driven primarily by William W. Phelps. Jeff Lindsay agrees: \u201cHere we have the words of Joseph Smith (or at least words prepared with his authorization and approval) telling us that the characters that are on this Facsimile and on book of Abraham Manuscripts A, B, and C have not yet been translated, and that Joseph had no right at that time to translate them.\u201d That\u2019s a legitimate reading of the documents, and it has the additional advantage of undermining a half-century (or more) of linguistic objections to the Book of Abraham. If\u00a0 the source of the Book of Abraham isn\u2019t papyrus fragment IX but some other, presumably lost papyrus, then it\u2019s easier to maintain what we might call an \u201cEgyptological\u201d view of the translation process, with Joseph Smith rendering Egyptian words and sentences into English by divine aid.<\/p>\n<p>Another consequence is that the Grammar and Alphabet of the Egyptian Language would necessarily become nearly irrelevant to the Book of Abraham and Joseph Smith\u2019s role as a translator. Some would welcome this, but I think what we know of the GAEL makes this all but impossible. Joseph Smith regarded the GAEL too highly, and it explains the relationship between the papyri and the scriptural text too clearly, and it fits into the rest of his translation efforts too well, for it to be neatly excluded from his prophetic work.<\/p>\n<p>So I don\u2019t find Barker\u2019s interpretation the most likely reading. Instead, I would say that drawing characters to repair the damaged papyrus source of Facsimile 2 from the same four lines of characters that appear on in the margins of the Book of Abraham manuscripts shows quite clearly that Joseph Smith and his associates were highly interested in those four lines in particular. If the supplemented characters were meant to be merely decorative, why not pull in characters from any other lines on any other papyri? It seems to me that the most likely explanation for Joseph Smith\u2019s particular interest in those four lines is that they were also the lines he had worked with most intensely in his translation.<\/p>\n<p>I hasten to point out that I see myself as in agreement with Tim Barker and Jeff Lindsay about everything that matters. I consider the Book of Abraham to be revealed scripture given to Joseph Smith through a process that was both linguistic and prophetic, and a key scriptural foundation for important doctrines of the restored gospel.<\/p>\n<p>Of course it\u2019s reasonable to ask: Why then did Joseph Smith translate the characters from the papyrus in one instance, but declare that he had no authority to do so in another?<\/p>\n<p>My answer is that the source text of Joseph Smith\u2019s translation is not identical with its physical form. The four lines of characters from JSP XI are themselves damaged on the papyrus, and the marginal characters they correspond to in the Book of Abraham manuscripts have been supplemented with new characters. As I have previously argued, Joseph Smith began <a href=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2023\/01\/ix-joseph-the-seer\/\">transforming the characters<\/a> into something else, something not-Egyptian, from the first moment he saw them, and <em>that<\/em> was the base text he translated from. In the case of Facsimile 2, what are the characters that \u201cought not to be revealed at the present time\u201d? Are they characters drawn from papyrus fragment XI? (Barker thinks so, although I disagree.) Or are they the original characters present before fragment XI was damaged? (Possibly.) Or are they something whose form and meaning were perceived by Joseph Smith acting as a seer, connected to the papyrus but not identical to it? That, I think, is most consistent with Joseph Smith\u2019s approach to the papyri as an inspired translator.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The re-use of characters from JSP IX on Facsimile 2 doesn\u2019t mean that the marginal characters in Abraham manuscripts A-C weren\u2019t used in the translation. I think it actually makes it more likely that they were. Before I unpack what this means, you might want to read the published version of Tim Barker\u2019s 2020 FAIR presentation or Jeff Lindsay\u2019s summary.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":67,"featured_media":44171,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2908],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-44984","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-pearl-of-great-price"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/bofa-e1673931852401.jpg","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/44984","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/67"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=44984"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/44984\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":44993,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/44984\/revisions\/44993"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/44171"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=44984"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=44984"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=44984"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}