{"id":44134,"date":"2022-12-28T06:47:11","date_gmt":"2022-12-28T14:47:11","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/?p=44134"},"modified":"2025-05-28T07:42:26","modified_gmt":"2025-05-28T13:42:26","slug":"superforecasting-the-church-for-2023","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2022\/12\/superforecasting-the-church-for-2023\/","title":{"rendered":"Superforecasting the Church for 2023"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Note: After this post went live and the organizer reached out to me, some of these specific predictions were added to <a href=\"https:\/\/manifold.markets\/group\/mormonism\">an actual prediction market<\/a> at Manifold Markets.\u00a0<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In the past public predictions usually took the form of some pundit making a prognistication about an event that was going to happen years in the future, and by the time the prediction was falsifiable everybody had either moved on or the prediction was so vague as to be non-falisifable. However, recently the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Superforecaster#Science\">\u201csuperforecasting\u201d movement<\/a><\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00a0has turned armchair theorizing into a systematic science, with predictors being graded on their accuracy after making predictions that are clearly definable and falsifiable. One manifestation of this movement are <a href=\"https:\/\/astralcodexten.substack.com\/p\/prediction-market-faq\">prediction markets<\/a><\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, where people literally bet money on clearly defined events happening or not happening, and with actual money on the line, people do really deep dive research.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So I thought it would be fun to do my own superforecasting competition for the Church in 2023. The rule is that the question has to be defined clearly enough to be demonstrably true or untrue within the time horizon. Here I\u2019ll give percentages. I don\u2019t claim to be a superforecaster, I\u2019m not spending a ton of time on quantifying trends and the like, and no money is on the line, but I\u2019ll check back on my accuracy around this time next year.\u00a0<\/span><b><\/b><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li aria-level=\"1\"><strong>The Church&#8217;s membership, on-the-books growth rate will be below 1% as reported in the April 2023 Conference.\u00a0<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">My probability: 80%<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Church\u2019s year-on-year growth rate has been below 1% for the past couple of years, so getting above 1% would require reversing the long-term slowdown trend.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">However, temporary reversals sometimes happen <a href=\"https:\/\/www.timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2021\/10\/is-church-growth-declining\/\">even if the long-term trend stays the same<\/a><\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, since growth trends can be bumpy; additionally, conversions might see a post-COVID uptick, so a growth rate above 1% isn\u2019t completely beyond the realm of reasonableness, but it\u2019s unlikely.\u00a0<\/span><b><\/b><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li aria-level=\"1\"><strong>There will be another scandal involving local level Church leadership and sexual abuse, either perpetrated by or confessed to the local leader.\u00a0<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">My probability: 80%<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Given the sheer number of local leaders in the US, combined with the tragic ubiquity of sexual abuse, along with the increased awareness of this problem, I think the chances that there will be another scandal involving a local leader to be rather high\u2013it seems like 2022 had a new one every other month or so.\u00a0<\/span><b><\/b><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li aria-level=\"1\"><strong>There will be a major, sex- or sexuality-related Latter-day Saint story carried by more than one major news outlet (excluding Deseret News and Salt Lake Tribune, and excluding sexual abuse addressed in the category above).\u00a0<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-44137\" src=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/5452231-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"342\" height=\"238\" srcset=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/5452231-1.jpg 600w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/5452231-1-360x250.jpg 360w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/5452231-1-260x181.jpg 260w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/5452231-1-160x111.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 342px) 100vw, 342px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">My probability: 70%<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">For some reason people have always had a prurient interest in Latter-day Saint sexuality (<em>The Guardian<\/em> and <em>Newsweek<\/em> in particular appear to have a particular, ahem, fetish), and this doesn\u2019t show any signs of abating, whether it\u2019s Layton swingers (a real thing) or \u201csoaking\u201d (not a real thing). Additionally, the Church seems to occupy an outsized place in the sexual minorities discourse in the country, so this is one I\u2019m reasonably confident will happen during the year 2023.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><b><\/b><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li aria-level=\"1\"><b>There will be a significant policy change. Here &#8220;significant&#8221; means that it is addressed or referenced in more than one general conference talk. \u00a0<\/b><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><em>My probability:<\/em> 50%<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">While President Nelson\u2019s tenure has had a lot of these, they seem to have tapered off recently, so I\u2019d give this one an even chance. \u00a0<\/span><b><\/b><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li aria-level=\"1\"><strong>A temple will be announced in Mongolia.\u00a0<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><em>My probability:<\/em> 55%<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A Mongolian temple has been <a href=\"http:\/\/ldschurchgrowth.blogspot.com\/2022\/02\/new-temple-predictions-february-2022.html\">a perennial favorite<\/a> as a prediction for a new temple. Given the distances involved, the Church\u2019s growth over the past couple of decades, and the Church\u2019s movement towards building more temples to cut down on distances involved in temple travel, I put this as slightly better than even chance.\u00a0<\/span><b><\/b><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li aria-level=\"1\"><strong>The Church will open proselytizing missions in China.\u00a0<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><em>My probability:<\/em> 2%<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Despite being the perennial rumor, I just don\u2019t see a political pathway to this happening in the short run.\u00a0<\/span><b><\/b><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li aria-level=\"1\"><strong>The Church will open a new country for missionary work.\u00a0<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><em>My probability:<\/em> 75%<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Given that a new country <a href=\"http:\/\/ldschurchgrowth.blogspot.com\/2015\/07\/updated-list-of-countries-of-world-and.htm\">is opened about every year or so<\/a>, <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">and given that there is still some low-hanging fruit before we open a Pyongyang mission, I\u2019m somewhat confident that a new country will open in 2023 for missionary work.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><b><\/b><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li aria-level=\"1\"><strong>A general authority will be excommunicated.\u00a0<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">My probability: 3%<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This happens every couple of decades or so, so I\u2019m giving it a low single-digit probability. Possible, but not likely.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>President Nelson will pass on and a new President will be sustained.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It would be morbid to compete on who gets this right, so I won\u2019t be making a conjecture and I won\u2019t count this in the overall score. The one thing that I will point out is that, according to the latest <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cdc.gov\/nchs\/data\/nvsr\/nvsr71\/nvsr71-01.pdf\">US Life Tables<\/a><\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, somebody in President Nelsons\u2019 demographic category (95-100 years old, white, non-Hispanic male), has an expected lifespan of 2.5 additional years. Additionally, rumor is that President Nelson is an extremely abstemious, clean eater, so I wouldn\u2019t be surprised if he makes it to 100. However, the survival curve within the 95-100 range is pretty steep, so the 2.5 years might be an overestimate given that President Nelson is currently 98. Still, I would bet that he will be our first centenarian President of the Church.\u00a0<\/span><b><\/b><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li aria-level=\"1\"><strong>President Nelson will resign as President of the Church.\u00a0<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">My probability in the next year: 2%<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">My probability overall: 5%<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I don\u2019t think so, but nobody thought so with Pope Benedict XVI, and the idea of President Emeritus isn\u2019t unheard of. (Somebody correct me if I\u2019m wrong, but I believe George Albert Smith entertained this possibility?) President Nelson did live through several cases of Presidents of the Church who weren\u2019t very functional near the end, so maybe.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Note: After this post went live and the organizer reached out to me, some of these specific predictions were added to an actual prediction market at Manifold Markets.\u00a0 In the past public predictions usually took the form of some pundit making a prognistication about an event that was going to happen years in the future, and by the time the prediction was falsifiable everybody had either moved on or the prediction was so vague as to be non-falisifable. However, recently the \u201csuperforecasting\u201d movement\u00a0has turned armchair theorizing into a systematic science, with predictors being graded on their accuracy after making predictions that are clearly definable and falsifiable. One manifestation of this movement are prediction markets, where people literally bet money on clearly defined events happening or not happening, and with actual money on the line, people do really deep dive research.\u00a0 So I thought it would be fun to do my own superforecasting competition for the Church in 2023. The rule is that the question has to be defined clearly enough to be demonstrably true or untrue within the time horizon. Here I\u2019ll give percentages. I don\u2019t claim to be a superforecaster, I\u2019m not spending a ton of time on quantifying [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":10403,"featured_media":44136,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[34],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-44134","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-social-sciences-and-economics"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/5452231.jpg","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/44134","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/10403"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=44134"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/44134\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":50173,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/44134\/revisions\/50173"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/44136"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=44134"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=44134"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=44134"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}