{"id":33985,"date":"2015-09-25T10:41:45","date_gmt":"2015-09-25T15:41:45","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/?p=33985"},"modified":"2015-09-25T10:59:19","modified_gmt":"2015-09-25T15:59:19","slug":"the-jst-moses-and-the-flood-in-seminary-how-much-complexity","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2015\/09\/the-jst-moses-and-the-flood-in-seminary-how-much-complexity\/","title":{"rendered":"The JST, Moses, and the Flood in Seminary: How Much complexity?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I happened to sit in on an early morning\u00a0Seminary class today, working on Moses 8. I haven&#8217;t been in a Seminary class since I graduated high school, which was&#8230; a while ago. But I noticed something that went completely uncommented on by the manual, that I could see.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Compare the two texts below. I&#8217;ve italicized the differences, and in both texts, I&#8217;ve bolded\/replaced the explanatory\/causal &#8220;for&#8221; with the clearer &#8220;because.&#8221;<\/p>\n<div style=\"width: 40%; padding: 0 10pt 0 0; float: left;\">\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>KJV<\/strong><\/p>\n<p> 6:6-7 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, <\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<br \/>\nand it grieved him at his heart.<\/p>\n<p>And the LORD said, <strong>I will destroy man<\/strong> whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; <\/p>\n<p><strong>because <\/strong>it repenteth me that I have made them.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div style=\"width: 40%; padding: 0 10pt 0 0; float: left;\">\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>JST\/Book of Moses<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>8:25-6 And it repented <em>Noah, and his heart was pained that<\/em> the Lord had made man on the earth, <\/p>\n<p>and it grieved him at the heart. <\/p>\n<p>And the Lord said: <strong>I will destroy man<\/strong> whom I have created, from the face of the earth, both man and beast, and the creeping things, and the fowls of the air; <\/p>\n<p><strong>because <\/strong> it repenteth <em>Noah that I have created them, and<\/em> that I have made them; <em>and he hath called upon me; for they have sought his life<\/em>.\n<\/div>\n<div style=\"clear: both;\"><\/div>\n<p>These changes do several things. First, Noah, not the LORD, is the direct object of the strange English construction &#8220;it repenteth S.O.&#8221; This gets God out of repenting, kind of. (The Hebrew <em>nicham<\/em> means &#8220;to feel remorse, change one&#8217;s mind&#8221; not &#8220;to turn away from sin.&#8221; God can and does <em>nicham<\/em> in the Bible.) But the other effect is that the worldwide destroy-everything flood comes, because it &#8220;repenteth Noah&#8221; and humans have tried to kill him. <\/p>\n<p>Doesn&#8217;t that strike anyone as, well, overkill? The JST, a reworking and commentary of sorts on the KJV, while trying to fix the archaic English problem of God repenting, gets us into an even bigger problem, with a God who kills everyone because&#8230; <em>Noah<\/em> feels sad and threatened. <\/p>\n<p>I did not bring this up with the Seminary class. I&#8217;m new in the area, and would have needed to go through several layers to explain things, all of which would have been outside their norm, I think, like the nature of the JST, the nature of Moses, what we do and don&#8217;t know, the nature of the flood story in the Old Testament, etc. (See my commentary <a href=\"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/benjaminthescribe\/2014\/02\/gospel-doctrine-lesson-6-moses-819-30-genesis-65-22-71-10\/\">on the flood text<\/a> and our <a href=\"http:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2014\/02\/mormon-appropriation-of-fundamentalism-and-its-outcomes\/\">typical quasi-fundamentalist reading of it<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>But again, I haven&#8217;t really interacted with teenagers much since I was a teenager. Can seminary students understand and profit from that kind of discussion? Or are we still kind of on the level of &#8220;here&#8217;s a story, here&#8217;s what it means&#8221;? How much complexity can seminary students handle (which assumes a teacher prepared to teach it to them)?<\/p>\n<p>I want Seminary to be like this, <a href=\"http:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/defthysgmglb7lmdwmpz.gif\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/defthysgmglb7lmdwmpz-300x164.gif\" alt=\"defthysgmglb7lmdwmpz\" width=\"300\" height=\"164\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-33997\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>but my impression is it&#8217;s more like this.<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/nope.gif\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/nope-300x153.gif\" alt=\"nope\" width=\"300\" height=\"153\" class=\"aligncenter  size-medium wp-image-33998\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I happened to sit in on an early morning\u00a0Seminary class today, working on Moses 8. I haven&#8217;t been in a Seminary class since I graduated high school, which was&#8230; a while ago. But I noticed something that went completely uncommented on by the manual, that I could see.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":23,"featured_media":34001,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[55],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-33985","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-news-politics"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/Blinding.jpg","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/33985","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/23"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=33985"}],"version-history":[{"count":15,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/33985\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":34003,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/33985\/revisions\/34003"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/34001"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=33985"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=33985"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=33985"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}