{"id":17552,"date":"2011-10-22T01:20:16","date_gmt":"2011-10-22T06:20:16","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/?p=17552"},"modified":"2011-10-22T01:30:46","modified_gmt":"2011-10-22T06:30:46","slug":"building-the-dream-city","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2011\/10\/building-the-dream-city\/","title":{"rendered":"Building the Dream City"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In my previous post about\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2011\/10\/the-world-i-choose\/\">the principles that would govern my ideal community<\/a> (affordability, space, distribution of labor, technology, education and job skills, and self-determination), \u00a0several of you made comments and asked questions about how those principles might work in practice. Here are my thoughts.<\/p>\n<p>&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Affordability<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Across the street from my workplace is a Lowe&#8217;s (Lowe&#8217;s is a hardware\/supplies store, for those of you that aren&#8217;t familiar with it). The Lowe&#8217;s parking lot has a bunch of sheds. Being the odd kind of guy I am, I took a tour of the sheds during lunch one day, and discovered that sheds are a lot cooler than I thought. One looks like this:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.lowes.com\/pd_132693-57658-182105_4294778082_4294937087_?productId=3411600&amp;Ns=p_product_prd_lis_ord_nbr|0||p_product_qty_sales_dollar|1&amp;pl=1&amp;currentURL=%2Fpl_Wood%2BStorage%2BBuildings_4294778082_4294937087_%3FNs%3Dp_product_prd_lis_ord_nbr|0||p_product_qty_sales_dollar|1&amp;facetInfo=\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-17553\" title=\"095317182105xl\" src=\"http:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/095317182105xl.jpg\" alt=\"095317182105xl\" width=\"280\" height=\"280\" srcset=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/095317182105xl.jpg 500w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/095317182105xl-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/095317182105xl-300x300.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 280px) 100vw, 280px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s about 100 sq ft (9.2 sq m) with a workbench at one end. It&#8217;s got enough space to lay out a couple of futons, and the workbench could make a decent dining bar. But my favorite is this one:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.lowes.com\/pd_336056-57658-191008_4294778082_4294937087_?productId=3412790&amp;Ns=p_product_prd_lis_ord_nbr|0||p_product_qty_sales_dollar|1&amp;pl=1&amp;currentURL=%2Fpl_Wood%2BStorage%2BBuildings_4294778082_4294937087_%3FNs%3Dp_product_prd_lis_ord_nbr|0||p_product_qty_sales_dollar|1&amp;facetInfo=\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-17554\" title=\"095317191008lg\" src=\"http:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/095317191008lg.jpg\" alt=\"095317191008lg\" width=\"276\" height=\"276\" srcset=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/095317191008lg.jpg 276w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/095317191008lg-150x150.jpg 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 276px) 100vw, 276px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s a little bigger, at 120 sq ft (11.1 sq m), but best of all it&#8217;s really tall and has a loft storage area.<\/p>\n<p>The first one is about $1,000 and the second is about $2,000. Best of all, they&#8217;re stick built, which means they could theoretically be insulated and drywalled. I figure that a tricked out shed would come to about $5,000.<\/p>\n<p>&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Now, before you try and burst my bubble and tell me that no one wants to live in a shed, let me say &#8212; I know. But that&#8217;s not entirely true. There are a few people who might enjoy it. The kind of people who read Thoreau, or Calvin and Hobbes. Or who enjoy watching movies like &#8220;No Impact Man&#8221;. So I understand that living in a shed isn&#8217;t your kind of thing. That&#8217;s cool, I&#8217;m not going to make you live there.<\/p>\n<p>That said, there are some concerns that really do need to be addressed.<\/p>\n<p>&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Space<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>First is the word &#8220;shed&#8221;. Because, despite what I said above, really no one wants to live in a shed. But people are cool with living in cabins. And these sheds are pretty similar to the cabins we stayed in at one of my Boy Scout camps. So I&#8217;ll call them &#8220;cabins&#8221; (even though you know that I&#8217;m really just talking about sheds).<\/p>\n<p>The problem with these cabins is that they don&#8217;t have bathrooms or kitchens. So, I envision a few of them built around a shared restroom facility, kind of like this:<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-17555\" title=\"Cabins1 (1)\" src=\"http:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/Cabins1-1.jpg\" alt=\"Cabins1 (1)\" width=\"324\" height=\"291\" srcset=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/Cabins1-1.jpg 324w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/Cabins1-1-300x269.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 324px) 100vw, 324px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Add in a main central dining\/recreation hall and some walking trails, and it starts to look like a community:<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-17556\" title=\"Cabins2 (1)\" src=\"http:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/Cabins2-1.jpg\" alt=\"Cabins2 (1)\" width=\"467\" height=\"444\" srcset=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/Cabins2-1.jpg 730w, https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/Cabins2-1-300x285.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 467px) 100vw, 467px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Set aside some of the open areas as gardens, fields, and playgrounds and you&#8217;ve got something that meets a lot of the &#8220;Space&#8221; criteria that I outlined in my previous post.<\/p>\n<p>But back to affordability, how are we doing? Well, if I were to target, say, 3 &#8211; 5 acres for this, the land would cost (in my area) somewhere between $50,000 and $500,000 (or more), depending on how close to town it&#8217;s located. As a talking point, I&#8217;ll say $250,000.<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t know much about construction costs, so I&#8217;ll just pull the other numbers out of the air &#8212; $200,000 for each of the restroom facilities, and $400,000 for the dining hall. That puts me at a little under $1.5 million. Split that between 10 families and you&#8217;re at $150,000 per family. The internet tells me that a home loan for $150,000 at 5% comes to about $800 a month.<\/p>\n<p><em>What about legality &#8212; zoning and building codes? I mean, legally you can&#8217;t really live in a shed&#8230;ahem&#8230;cabin. And what about financing? You can&#8217;t get financing for a weird project like this just as easily as you do for a conventional home purchase.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Okay, you&#8217;ve got me there. I don&#8217;t really know anything about the legal or finance aspects of construction. And I know there&#8217;s plenty that I&#8217;m glossing over &#8212; property insurance, maintenance, etc. I&#8217;ll have to get back to you on that.<\/p>\n<p>&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>As for the other principles &#8212; distribution of labor, technology, education and job skills, and self-determination &#8212; I&#8217;ll come back and write more on those later too.<\/p>\n<p><strong><br \/>\n<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><br \/>\n<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In my previous post about\u00a0the principles that would govern my ideal community (affordability, space, distribution of labor, technology, education and job skills, and self-determination), \u00a0several of you made comments and asked questions about how those principles might work in practice. Here are my thoughts. &#8230; Affordability Across the street from my workplace is a Lowe&#8217;s (Lowe&#8217;s is a hardware\/supplies store, for those of you that aren&#8217;t familiar with it). The Lowe&#8217;s parking lot has a bunch of sheds. Being the odd kind of guy I am, I took a tour of the sheds during lunch one day, and discovered that sheds are a lot cooler than I thought. One looks like this: It&#8217;s about 100 sq ft (9.2 sq m) with a workbench at one end. It&#8217;s got enough space to lay out a couple of futons, and the workbench could make a decent dining bar. But my favorite is this one: It&#8217;s a little bigger, at 120 sq ft (11.1 sq m), but best of all it&#8217;s really tall and has a loft storage area. The first one is about $1,000 and the second is about $2,000. 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