{"id":17196,"date":"2011-09-22T11:24:42","date_gmt":"2011-09-22T16:24:42","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/?p=17196"},"modified":"2011-09-24T11:33:43","modified_gmt":"2011-09-24T16:33:43","slug":"lds-men-arent-incredible","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2011\/09\/lds-men-arent-incredible\/","title":{"rendered":"LDS Men Aren&#8217;t Incredible"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Wheat &#038; Tares ran a fun post earlier this week titled <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wheatandtares.org\/2011\/09\/20\/why-men-suck\/\">LDS Men Are Incredible<\/a> &#8230; although the URL string shows that the original draft title of the post was &#8220;Why Men Suck.&#8221; That kind of marks off the two ends of the spectrum, doesn&#8217;t it? That&#8217;s a nice lead-in for the question: What remarks are going to be directed at LDS men in next week&#8217;s General Conference?<\/p>\n<p>  <!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Last Conference the message directed to young single men was to get married. That&#8217;s not new advice, but it was certainly highlighted. I&#8217;m guessing a few thousand young single men who might otherwise tune in to Conference next week will find an excuse to do something else instead. That&#8217;s one of the tricky things about giving advice &mdash; wrong timing or wrong tone can produce the wrong effect.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m thinking that some attention will be given to the ongoing concern of leaders to get more men to attend church (see <a href=\"http:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2011\/05\/more-on-the-mormon-gender-gap\/\">here<\/a> for earlier discussion of the Mormon gender gap). It is not a uniquely Mormon concern, as is evident reading the article &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.firstthings.com\/onthesquare\/2011\/09\/jesus-is-not-a-cagefighter\">Jesus Is Not a Cagefighter<\/a>&#8221; by Joe Carter over at First Things. No, Jesus isn&#8217;t a cagefighter, but that might nevertheless be an effective pitch if you&#8217;re trying to get the guys a little pumped up about going to church.<\/p>\n<p>But that is an approach to the problem that might work better than just complaining about it from the pulpit. It is a well-intentioned effort (with a long historical pedigree) of combatting the idea that Real Men don&#8217;t go to church, they go golfing or fishing or just watch football on TV while their wives go to church. Here&#8217;s how a paragraph from the article frames the issue:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Although this has been a problem for decades, it has increased recently because of the resurgent fear of the \u201cfeminization\u201d of the church. For a purportedly repressively patriarchal organization, the American church has a peculiarly perennial obsession with being associated with the feminine. No doubt some of the concern is nothing more than a childish &#8220;girls are icky&#8221; male chauvinism. But there is also a genuine reason why we should be concerned about the church&#8217;s failure to attract men.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Interesting last phrase, &#8220;the church&#8217;s failure to attract men.&#8221; In the LDS case, is it the men&#8217;s failure or the Church&#8217;s failure? And is anything likely to change?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Wheat &#038; Tares ran a fun post earlier this week titled LDS Men Are Incredible &#8230; although the URL string shows that the original draft title of the post was &#8220;Why Men Suck.&#8221; That kind of marks off the two ends of the spectrum, doesn&#8217;t it? That&#8217;s a nice lead-in for the question: What remarks are going to be directed at LDS men in next week&#8217;s General Conference?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":99,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[32],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-17196","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-women-in-the-church"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/17196","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/99"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=17196"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/17196\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":17200,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/17196\/revisions\/17200"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=17196"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=17196"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=17196"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}