{"id":1473,"date":"2004-10-19T23:50:11","date_gmt":"2004-10-20T03:50:11","guid":{"rendered":"\/?p=1473"},"modified":"2004-10-20T01:46:15","modified_gmt":"2004-10-20T05:46:15","slug":"two-question-from-jim-f","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2004\/10\/two-question-from-jim-f\/","title":{"rendered":"Two Questions from Jim F. (2)"},"content":{"rendered":"

Second question (go here<\/a> for the first): This question is more philosophical. Driving through the West Desert, Professor Juff\u00c3\u00a9 and I had ample time to talk as well as to see the scenery. We talked a lot about Spinoza, his favorite philosopher and someone about whom I am almost ignorant. By the time we got to Temple Square (where, surprisingly, it seemed that every other missionary had a French flag on her lapel), the topic of conversation had shifted naturally to the Church. I was telling him about Joseph Smith\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s vision and noted that one thing Joseph learned from the experience was that God is embodied. <\/p>\n

Professor Juff\u00c3\u00a9 was startled\u00e2\u20ac\u201dphilosophers and theologians usually are\u00e2\u20ac\u201dbut for the reason opposite that of most: I said we believe that, in some sense we are not clear about, everything that is is material. \u00e2\u20ac\u0153Of course,\u00e2\u20ac? he said. \u00e2\u20ac\u0153You are a kind of Spinozist.\u00e2\u20ac? He found admirable that we are materialists without being reductionists (reducing everything to the merely mechanical understanding of material, \u00c3\u00a0 la Descartes). <\/p>\n

We accept that the Father and the Son have bodies and that the Holy Ghost will someday have one. We accept that our resurrection is literal and that our exaltation is as much a bodily matter as any other kind. Yet we most often talk about these kinds of things with language inherited from the Christian tradition filtered through Descartes and those who followed him. What are the implications of our insistence on materiality? But before that, where do we find the language to talk about those implications? <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Second question (go here for the first): This question is more philosophical.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":13,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[18,20],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1473","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-general-doctrine","category-philosophy-and-theology"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1473","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/13"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1473"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1473\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1473"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1473"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1473"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}