{"id":1222,"date":"2004-08-22T17:58:47","date_gmt":"2004-08-22T23:58:47","guid":{"rendered":"\/?p=1222"},"modified":"-0001-11-30T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"-0001-11-30T06:00:00","slug":"our-mothers-and-grandmothers-knew-it-the-testimony-of-talitha-cumi-garlick","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2004\/08\/our-mothers-and-grandmothers-knew-it-the-testimony-of-talitha-cumi-garlick\/","title":{"rendered":"&#8220;Our Mothers (and Grandmothers) Knew It&#8221;: The Testimony of Talitha Cumi Garlick"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"z-Garlick.bmp\" align=\"left\" src=\"http:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/images\/z-Garlick.bmp\" width=\"141\" height=\"190\" border=\"0\" alt=\"Photograph of Talitha Cumi Garlick\" \/>A controversial event in Church history occurred when Brigham Young and Sidney Rigdon both presented their arguments to the Church regarding who should lead after the death of Joseph Smith. Many members of the Church have heard that when Brigham Young rose to speak, he seemed to sound like and even look like Joseph Smith, indicating to many witnesses that the mantle of the Prophet had fallen on Brother Brigham. <\/p>\n<p>I had long wondered if this story was simply wishful thinking. But when I later found the brief autobiography of my ancestor, Talitha Cumi Garlick (after two marriages, it was Talitha Cumi Garlick Avery Cheney &#8211; I&#8217;m from the Cheney line) and read her testimony of that event, the story became more credible, closer to home.<br \/>\n<!--more--><br \/>\nI have just made her history available on my Website as &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.jefflindsay.com\/talitha-cheney.shtml\" target=\"window\"><B>The Autobiography of Talitha Cumi Garlick Avery Cheney, Mormon Pioneer<\/B><\/a>.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Here is the portion of her words regarding the incident with Brigham Young:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I was in Nauvoo when Sidney Rigdon came from the East after Brothers Joseph and Hyrum were killed, to take the lead of the Church. There were none of the Twelve Apostles at home, but Brothers Taylor and Richards. Brother Taylor was badly wounded. Sidney Rigdon thought he would have everything his own way, but he found that he was mistaken. He called a meeting. He said the Church was old enough to choose a guardian, it being 14 years since it was organized. <\/p>\n<p>Brother Brigham Young and the other apostles arrived in Nauvoo in time to be present at the meeting. Brother Brigham Young said, &#8220;The keys of the Kingdom are with the Twelve Apostles. They are the ones to lead the people.&#8221; He looked just like Brother Joseph and spoke like him. Surely the mantle of Brother Joseph has fallen on him. I never had a doubt. I knew Brother Brigham was the man to fill the place of our beloved Prophet. I knew that Brother Joseph Smith was a true Prophet of God and was the mouthpiece of God to the people, and that Brigham Young was his lawful successor. He was a man of God. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>When I read her words, it becomes difficult for me to simply dismiss the story. She was a rugged, spunky woman, one who as a teenager refused to be baptized with the rest of her family until she had seen and met Joseph Smith. I don&#8217;t think she was the victim of group hysteria or peer pressure to dress up the past. <\/p>\n<p>Heber J. Grant had similar feelings about the testimony of his mother regarding this event, as he reported in the October 1898 General Conference:<br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE>There are those that know not God. There are those that think the Latter-day Saints are a mistaken people, that they are deluded and that they have no faith in the supernatural; but I say here today that I know the mantle of Joseph Smith fell upon the Prophet Brigham Young. I know it, and I am willing to meet the testimony that I bear. How do I know it? <B>I know it because of my mother, a more honest woman than whom never lived<\/B>, a more devoted Latter-day Saint can not be found; because she and scores of others have told me that <B>they saw the Prophet Brigham Young when he spoke with the voice of Joseph Smith; when he looked like the prophet Joseph; and I know that these people are honest<\/B>; and in addition to this I know by the inspiration of God to me that Brigham Young was a Prophet of God. <BR><I>[emphasis added]<\/I><\/BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\nToday I learned that a collection of many other statements from witnesses to this (disputed) miraculous event is found in a publication prepared by Lynne W. Jorgensen and the BYU Studies Staff, &#8220;The Mantle of the Prophet Joseph Passes to Brother Brigham: A Collective Spiritual Witness,&#8221; <I>BYU Studies<\/I>, Vol. 36, No. 4, 1996-6, pp. 125-204. The <a href=\"https:\/\/byustudies.byu.edu\/productitem.asp?id=945&#038;type=7\" target=\"window\">abstract is available online<\/a>, and the article can be downloaded for $2. Talitha&#8217;s witness is in there. The abstract of the article follows:<br \/>\n<BLOCKQUOTE><font face=\"Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva\" size = \"-1\">On August 8, 1844, six weeks after the Prophet Joseph Smith&#8217;s martyrdom, a meeting of the Saints was held in Nauvoo, Illinois. Brigham Young, President of the Quorum of the Twelve, and several other Apostles had just returned from missions. The purpose of the meeting was to determine by vote who had the right and responsibility to lead the Church&#8211;Sidney Rigdon, First Counselor in the First Presidency, or the Quorum of the Twelve with Brigham Young at their head. In the course of the two meetings held that day, many in attendance received a divine witness that Brigham Young was to be the next leader: some Saints specifically state that as Brigham Young addressed the congregation he sounded and appeared remarkably like Joseph Smith, others simply say that the &#8220;mantle of Joseph&#8221; or &#8220;of the prophets&#8221; rested on Brigham Young, and others state that they were given a witness &#8220;by the spirit&#8221; that Brigham was to lead the Church.<\/font><\/BLOCKQUOTE><br \/>\nThe incident is not one I base my testimony on, and it&#8217;s possible that it was all just a psychological aberration or wishful thinking that got dressed up in later years. But in my opinion (bias alert!), examination of the other testimonies and surrounding evidences does not support the idea that this was an urban legend that many folks adopted long after the fact, even though none of the hundreds of witnesses who claimed to have seen the miracle wrote a diary entry of the experience at the time it occurred (if nothing else, let that be a reminder to all of us to write down more of our spiritual experiences, even if the rush of daily events &#8211; and mob action &#8211; makes writing a low priority). Something happened on that day &#8211; and I am inclined to apply Alma 56:47 to this situation, affirming the faith of the &#8220;sons of Helaman,&#8221; the stripling Lamanite warriors who said, &#8220;We do not doubt our mothers [or great-great-grandmothers] knew it.&#8221;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A controversial event in Church history occurred when Brigham Young and Sidney Rigdon both presented their arguments to the Church regarding who should lead after the death of Joseph Smith. Many members of the Church have heard that when Brigham Young rose to speak, he seemed to sound like and even look like Joseph Smith, indicating to many witnesses that the mantle of the Prophet had fallen on Brother Brigham. I had long wondered if this story was simply wishful thinking. But when I later found the brief autobiography of my ancestor, Talitha Cumi Garlick (after two marriages, it was Talitha Cumi Garlick Avery Cheney &#8211; I&#8217;m from the Cheney line) and read her testimony of that event, the story became more credible, closer to home.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":10381,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[17],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1222","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-church-history"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1222","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/10381"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1222"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1222\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1222"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1222"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1222"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}