{"id":43927,"date":"2022-11-13T07:01:29","date_gmt":"2022-11-13T13:01:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/?page_id=43927"},"modified":"2022-11-13T07:17:32","modified_gmt":"2022-11-13T13:17:32","slug":"recent-comments","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/recent-comments\/","title":{"rendered":"Recent Comments"},"content":{"rendered":"<ul id=\"better-recent-comments\" class=\"recent-comments-list\"><li class=\"recentcomments recent-comment\"><div class=\"comment-wrap\"><span class=\"comment-author-link\">anonymous<\/span> on <span class=\"comment-post\"><a href=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2026\/04\/latter-day-saints-and-pornography-use\/#comment-562319\">How Many Latter-day Saints View Pornography?<\/a><\/span>: &ldquo;<span class=\"comment-excerpt\">More valuable would be a measurement of how many marriages are healthy, loving, and lifelong when pornography use of the spouses is not vilified and mutually understood to be an important tool in the individual and shared sex lives of the married couple. As a middle aged person in a very happy and healthy LDS marriage that has persisted for decades and grows stronger by the year, I can  report that pornography has been a crucial component to our relationship for all the obvious reasons (differing libidos, stressful seasons, pregnancy\/parturition\/child-rearing, health issues, perimenopause\/menopause, etc.). Many years ago we had some honest conversations with each other and decided to let go of accumulated religious shame and expectations&#8230;and presto! Seriously one of the best things we have ever done as a couple. Is this sinful or immoral? We absolutely can say it is not. We have a lovely and mutually respectful relationship, healthy and thriving kids all interested and active in the church, and an exciting sex life together that is fully ours and better now than in our 20s. We are your most basic looking church members in the pews, and nothing about us says anything but normal, boring, happy 40-50 somethings, because we are normal, boring, and happy.    I don&#8217;t know because I respect boundaries and I love for others to have their privacy and choices remain fully theirs, but I am guessing that many, many healthy and happy marriages are pretty much like ours, all across Utah and beyond. The broad brushstrokes of pornography use=evil\/moral failure is too broad and unproductive. Unhappy marriages undermined by guilt, suspicion, and unaddressed biological realities are a far worse problem in my life experience.<\/span>&rdquo; <span class=\"comment-date\">Apr 5, 13:54<\/span><\/div><\/li><li class=\"recentcomments recent-comment\"><div class=\"comment-wrap\"><span class=\"comment-author-link\">Chad Nielsen<\/span> on <span class=\"comment-post\"><a href=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2026\/03\/a-review-changemakers-women-who-boldly-built-zion\/#comment-562318\">A Review: Changemakers: Women Who Boldly Built Zion<\/a><\/span>: &ldquo;<span class=\"comment-excerpt\">Yep.<\/span>&rdquo; <span class=\"comment-date\">Apr 5, 13:43<\/span><\/div><\/li><li class=\"recentcomments recent-comment\"><div class=\"comment-wrap\"><span class=\"comment-author-link\">Me<\/span> on <span class=\"comment-post\"><a href=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2026\/03\/a-review-changemakers-women-who-boldly-built-zion\/#comment-562317\">A Review: Changemakers: Women Who Boldly Built Zion<\/a><\/span>: &ldquo;<span class=\"comment-excerpt\">Emma Bidamon is in there but Chieko Okazaki isn&#8217;t?<\/span>&rdquo; <span class=\"comment-date\">Apr 5, 12:34<\/span><\/div><\/li><li class=\"recentcomments recent-comment\"><div class=\"comment-wrap\"><span class=\"comment-author-link\">Stephen C.<\/span> on <span class=\"comment-post\"><a href=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2026\/04\/latter-day-saints-and-pornography-use\/#comment-562316\">How Many Latter-day Saints View Pornography?<\/a><\/span>: &ldquo;<span class=\"comment-excerpt\">&#8220;The only actual data I\u2019ve seen just suggests that levels of *distress* about pornography are much higher among conservative religious groups, which makes more sense.&#8221;    That\u2019s true.    &#8220;On that note, I have wondered in this and the other surveys how useful the LDS v. non-LDS distinction is, given how diverse the second group is.&#8221;    That\u2019s also true to an extent. If I were doing a full-fledged article I\u2019d also look at religiosity to see how much of the LDS effect is really just a proxy for that (controlling for religiosity we might be more likely to look at porn for all I know), then throw in the standard controls, etc., but for stuff like this the top level, zero order \u201cDo LDS look at porn a lot relative to others\u201d is interesting in its own right.     &#8220;The general culture of sex-negativity (token paeans to the goodness of marriage notwithstanding) can also backfire badly when people actually marry.&#8221;    I have no doubt this happens, I\u2019m not doubting your valuable personal experience, and organized religion isn\u2019t perfect in how they handle the erotic (it could be less guilt-based, especially back in my and probably your day), but nowadays I think that in the aggregate people tend to overplay the \u201creligious people are debbie downers about sex and it messes them up\u201d line. Having religious parameters can have its sexual benefits. Of course some people\u2019s wedding nights weren\u2019t great, but on the whole it probably works out better as a first time than the backseat of a car after being pressured by a JV high school football player. I suspect that the 90s were peak libertinism-is-the-road-to-sexual-flourishing, but now even secularists are backing off from that. More quantitatively, me and others have found that religious tend to be more sexually satisfied than the non-religious (https:\/\/journals.sagepub.com\/doi\/abs\/10.1007\/s13644-019-00395-w). Also as an aside, using the same dataset as above I actually looked at whether members have more marital sex and they aren&#8217;t (hence no blogpost on that), but they&#8217;re not having less either.<\/span>&rdquo; <span class=\"comment-date\">Apr 5, 12:06<\/span><\/div><\/li><li class=\"recentcomments recent-comment\"><div class=\"comment-wrap\"><span class=\"comment-author-link\">Elder Michael C. Hammer<\/span> on <span class=\"comment-post\"><a href=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2026\/04\/latter-day-saints-and-pornography-use\/#comment-562315\">How Many Latter-day Saints View Pornography?<\/a><\/span>: &ldquo;<span class=\"comment-excerpt\">(First off\u2014heads up that I no longer attend an LDS church, and haven\u2019t for nearly three years. I just pop by now and then out of curiosity.)    Honestly, this isn\u2019t particularly surprising to me. I don\u2019t think I\u2019ve seen any actual evidence beyond the paid subscriptions that the numbers are higher. The only actual data I\u2019ve seen just suggests that levels of *distress* about pornography are much higher among conservative religious groups, which makes more sense.    On that note, I have wondered in this and the other surveys how useful the LDS v. non-LDS distinction is, given how diverse the second group is. There are definitely enough members of other very conservative religious groups (or just with very conservative upbringings within broadly more liberal denominations) to contribute disproportionately to the 30% of men who haven\u2019t masturbated in the last month, for instance\u2014I suspect it would be higher if you excluded all the other groups who are actively trying not to.    I also just tend to doubt whether, even if you think these are practices worth discouraging*, the cost is actually worth it. Having adult men question children (often alone in a room together) about whether they masturbate or watch pornography is crazy, and would be viewed as creepy and abusive in any other context. The general culture of sex-negativity (token paeans to the goodness of marriage notwithstanding) can also backfire badly when people actually marry. My own partner and I both grew up LDS, and it seriously messed up our ability to have a healthy sexual relationship or even talk about it openly for years. I often think about how much easier it would have been if one of us (especially her) hadn\u2019t been raised with that messaging. I normally have pretty warm feelings towards my upbringing\u2014this is the one thing I feel really, deeply bitter towards the church about. Obviously it doesn\u2019t hit everybody the same (I knew plenty of male missionaries who were bull-headed enough to basically just ignore the messaging) but it can be pretty bad. I don\u2019t know if messing up children\u2019s self-perception and view of sex for decades is worth it so that you can feel proud about your kids not masturbating or watching porn or whatever.    *I don\u2019t see any problem with masturbation, and honestly found the stat about more than half of all LDS women never having even tried it more than a little sad, but I\u2019m also generally not a fan of pornography\u2014it tends to really lean into and promote a lot of quite bad sexist and patriarchal stereotypes.<\/span>&rdquo; <span class=\"comment-date\">Apr 5, 08:21<\/span><\/div><\/li><li class=\"recentcomments recent-comment\"><div class=\"comment-wrap\"><span class=\"comment-author-link\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.motleyvision.org\" class=\"url\" rel=\"ugc external nofollow\">Kent Larsen<\/a><\/span> on <span class=\"comment-post\"><a href=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2026\/04\/cutting-edge-latter-day-saint-research-march-2026\/#comment-562314\">Cutting Edge Latter-day Saint Research, March 2026<\/a><\/span>: &ldquo;<span class=\"comment-excerpt\">I love that there\u2019s finally an article in the language\/rhetoric space \u2014 and on a subject similar to what I will be presenting on at Mormon Scholars in the Humanities in late May.    Going to be very interesting to read that article.<\/span>&rdquo; <span class=\"comment-date\">Apr 4, 20:27<\/span><\/div><\/li><li class=\"recentcomments recent-comment\"><div class=\"comment-wrap\"><span class=\"comment-author-link\">Stephen C<\/span> on <span class=\"comment-post\"><a href=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2026\/04\/latter-day-saints-and-pornography-use\/#comment-562313\">How Many Latter-day Saints View Pornography?<\/a><\/span>: &ldquo;<span class=\"comment-excerpt\">I was just made aware that Mormonr has a piece on the Utah porn myth that is another good source (and has some additional studies), so in the interest of listing all the Utah\/LDS porn studies in one place, here are a few more: https:\/\/mormonr.org\/qnas\/y4j20\/masturbation#q-vd6aC75fvRg05KO0Xs80.<\/span>&rdquo; <span class=\"comment-date\">Apr 4, 16:19<\/span><\/div><\/li><li class=\"recentcomments recent-comment\"><div class=\"comment-wrap\"><span class=\"comment-author-link\">Stephen C.<\/span> on <span class=\"comment-post\"><a href=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2026\/04\/latter-day-saints-and-pornography-use\/#comment-562312\">How Many Latter-day Saints View Pornography?<\/a><\/span>: &ldquo;<span class=\"comment-excerpt\">No, it was a &#8220;know it when I see it&#8221; kind of thing. It is in fact famously hard to define for all of us, not just Supreme Court justices.<\/span>&rdquo; <span class=\"comment-date\">Apr 3, 20:07<\/span><\/div><\/li><li class=\"recentcomments recent-comment\"><div class=\"comment-wrap\"><span class=\"comment-author-link\"><a href=\"http:\/\/timesandseasons.org\" class=\"url\" rel=\"ugc\">Jonathan Green<\/a><\/span> on <span class=\"comment-post\"><a href=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2026\/04\/latter-day-saints-and-pornography-use\/#comment-562311\">How Many Latter-day Saints View Pornography?<\/a><\/span>: &ldquo;<span class=\"comment-excerpt\">Another interesting post, again suggesting that religious teaching does affect behavior. Did the survey offer any kind of definition of pornography, or did it just expect respondents to know it when they see it?<\/span>&rdquo; <span class=\"comment-date\">Apr 3, 18:52<\/span><\/div><\/li><li class=\"recentcomments recent-comment\"><div class=\"comment-wrap\"><span class=\"comment-author-link\">RL<\/span> on <span class=\"comment-post\"><a href=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2026\/04\/53224\/#comment-562310\">Beyond the Wasatch: David O. McKay, Overseas Temples, and the International Church<\/a><\/span>: &ldquo;<span class=\"comment-excerpt\">Interesting read.  Allowing for the ordination of Fijians seemed like a test case for later priesthood expansion.  Wish the expansion was sooner but enjoy any Fiji mentions in Church history.    Doing a mission in Fiji the model of Church schools there contributing to growth and stabilization is one I appreciated and hope we move forward overseas to further grow the Church.     I wonder is we get an era of brick and mortar school expansion at some point in the future to match temple expansion.  Pathways seems to be testing out learning centers in some countries.<\/span>&rdquo; <span class=\"comment-date\">Apr 2, 18:17<\/span><\/div><\/li><\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"author":20,"featured_media":0,"parent":0,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-43927","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/43927","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/20"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=43927"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/43927\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":43936,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/43927\/revisions\/43936"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=43927"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}