{"id":43927,"date":"2022-11-13T07:01:29","date_gmt":"2022-11-13T13:01:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/?page_id=43927"},"modified":"2022-11-13T07:17:32","modified_gmt":"2022-11-13T13:17:32","slug":"recent-comments","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/recent-comments\/","title":{"rendered":"Recent Comments"},"content":{"rendered":"<ul id=\"better-recent-comments\" class=\"recent-comments-list\"><li class=\"recentcomments recent-comment\"><div class=\"comment-wrap\"><span class=\"comment-author-link\"><a href=\"http:\/\/timesandseasons.org\" class=\"url\" rel=\"ugc\">Jonathan Green<\/a><\/span> on <span class=\"comment-post\"><a href=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2026\/11\/zion-will-have-data-centers\/#comment-563557\">Zion will have data centers<\/a><\/span>: &ldquo;<span class=\"comment-excerpt\">LotL, you sound like a local AI enthusiast who hasn&#8217;t found the right GPU yet. AI without all the data centers, but you might start filling up your PC with terabytes of your favorite LLMs just in case you need them one day.<\/span>&rdquo; <span class=\"comment-date\">Nov 13, 02:59<\/span><\/div><\/li><li class=\"recentcomments recent-comment\"><div class=\"comment-wrap\"><span class=\"comment-author-link\">Lion of the Lord<\/span> on <span class=\"comment-post\"><a href=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2026\/11\/zion-will-have-data-centers\/#comment-563556\">Zion will have data centers<\/a><\/span>: &ldquo;<span class=\"comment-excerpt\">Hey Jonathan,    I will admit that I was being overly dramatic, I had just gotten off work, and wasn&#8217;t in the best frame of mind. And I&#8217;m not totally against AI being a helpful tool.     Just as you are wary of attempts to block growth on too broad of a scale, I&#8217;m wary in the opposite direction. To me, most of this AI growth seems to be forced upon us from above, rather than below. Which makes me wary, knowing all the messed up things our government and corporations have done in the last few hundred years.    I also partly reacted the way I did because of my temperament. I&#8217;m a very conservative person and believe in hierarchy, law &amp; order, etc.  However, when I know or believe my leaders are trying to gaslight me, be that religious, secular, or business, I quickly become very much like the Founding Fathers during the revolution.<\/span>&rdquo; <span class=\"comment-date\">Nov 12, 20:30<\/span><\/div><\/li><li class=\"recentcomments recent-comment\"><div class=\"comment-wrap\"><span class=\"comment-author-link\">Chad Nielsen<\/span> on <span class=\"comment-post\"><a href=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2026\/11\/announcing-b-h-roberts-warhorse-of-the-church-a-beginners-guide\/#comment-563555\">Announcing B. H. Roberts: Warhorse of the Church, A Beginner\u2019s Guide<\/a><\/span>: &ldquo;<span class=\"comment-excerpt\">Kent, I do mention Corianton. As much as I appreciate the effort to fight for the gospel through literary works, though, it isn&#8217;t quoted directly in the book. I haven&#8217;t seen much of his poetry, though. I don&#8217;t remember him sharing it in his books or sermons, other than one about women. He was usually quoting other poetry instead. Is there a bunch published somewhere that I completely missed?<\/span>&rdquo; <span class=\"comment-date\">Nov 12, 20:20<\/span><\/div><\/li><li class=\"recentcomments recent-comment\"><div class=\"comment-wrap\"><span class=\"comment-author-link\">Chad Nielsen<\/span> on <span class=\"comment-post\"><a href=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2026\/11\/announcing-b-h-roberts-warhorse-of-the-church-a-beginners-guide\/#comment-563554\">Announcing B. H. Roberts: Warhorse of the Church, A Beginner\u2019s Guide<\/a><\/span>: &ldquo;<span class=\"comment-excerpt\">Those are some good ideas. Widsoe and Whitney are high on our list.    Anyone active after 1930 gets tricky because of copyright, but there are a lot of people I would personally love to feature. Chieko Okazaki and Richard L. Evans in particular. J. Reuben Clark, Hugh B. Brown, Amy Brown Lyman, Lowell Bennion, and Eugene England are great options too.     Talmage was in both the Deseret Book and Signature Books series. Nibley and the Pratt brothers were featured in one or the other. Those will likely be low priority as a result.<\/span>&rdquo; <span class=\"comment-date\">Nov 12, 20:10<\/span><\/div><\/li><li class=\"recentcomments recent-comment\"><div class=\"comment-wrap\"><span class=\"comment-author-link\"><a href=\"http:\/\/timesandseasons.org\" class=\"url\" rel=\"ugc\">Jonathan Green<\/a><\/span> on <span class=\"comment-post\"><a href=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2026\/11\/zion-will-have-data-centers\/#comment-563553\">Zion will have data centers<\/a><\/span>: &ldquo;<span class=\"comment-excerpt\">LotL, you&#8217;ve got to find a better way to react to one guy posting something you disagree with than to feel all alone at church. There are plenty of people who agree with you. 41 states just voted to slow or stop construction of data centers.    The last few centuries have seen many different experiments on how to make society work, and those of us with humanities degrees have to face the fact that free markets plus liberal democracy is the one formula for rising out of misery and oppression. So much so, that I&#8217;m wary of attempts to block growth on too broad of a broad scale. You&#8217;re right to worry about how the benefits of growth are distributed, though.<\/span>&rdquo; <span class=\"comment-date\">Nov 12, 19:29<\/span><\/div><\/li><li class=\"recentcomments recent-comment\"><div class=\"comment-wrap\"><span class=\"comment-author-link\">John Melonakos<\/span> on <span class=\"comment-post\"><a href=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2026\/11\/zion-will-have-data-centers\/#comment-563552\">Zion will have data centers<\/a><\/span>: &ldquo;<span class=\"comment-excerpt\">hey great topic!  this is my wheelhouse. i&#8217;ve written extensively about ways to rebuild the internet for zion.  https:\/\/wetheusers.ai    yes, zion will pass messages and record information. it will respect digital shadows completely and every message will have the right stewardship and accountability.<\/span>&rdquo; <span class=\"comment-date\">Nov 12, 19:01<\/span><\/div><\/li><li class=\"recentcomments recent-comment\"><div class=\"comment-wrap\"><span class=\"comment-author-link\">Lion of the Lord<\/span> on <span class=\"comment-post\"><a href=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2026\/11\/zion-will-have-data-centers\/#comment-563550\">Zion will have data centers<\/a><\/span>: &ldquo;<span class=\"comment-excerpt\">To keep this short, when I read posts like this, I can&#8217;t help feeling somewhat morally and spiritually alone within the Church.     To me Jonathan, and I hope you don&#8217;t get offended, but this post seemed to defend greedy avaricious capitalists. Because if we&#8217;re being honest, most people aren&#8217;t going to get benefits from AI. DaveW mentioned that tens of millions of Americans might lose jobs within the next 10 years and I think he&#8217;s right.    Maybe it&#8217;s my humanities degree coming through, but not everything needs to be about  productivity and efficiency. I personally don&#8217;t like data centers because their ugly. If I&#8217;m being frank with you, I think many of our political and social ills come from or has been negatively affected by having to look at our soulless architecture.<\/span>&rdquo; <span class=\"comment-date\">Nov 12, 16:56<\/span><\/div><\/li><li class=\"recentcomments recent-comment\"><div class=\"comment-wrap\"><span class=\"comment-author-link\">Lion of the Lord<\/span> on <span class=\"comment-post\"><a href=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2026\/11\/announcing-b-h-roberts-warhorse-of-the-church-a-beginners-guide\/#comment-563549\">Announcing B. H. Roberts: Warhorse of the Church, A Beginner\u2019s Guide<\/a><\/span>: &ldquo;<span class=\"comment-excerpt\">Another person I thought of, and RLD indirectly brought them up, is Orson F. Whitney who passed away a couple of years before Talmage and Roberts. I also thought about  J. Reuben Clark  &amp; even Elder McConkie, but I do think it&#8217;s too soon for them, especially McConkie. As for Nibley and the others, I think they fall into being to recent as well.<\/span>&rdquo; <span class=\"comment-date\">Nov 12, 15:59<\/span><\/div><\/li><li class=\"recentcomments recent-comment\"><div class=\"comment-wrap\"><span class=\"comment-author-link\"><a href=\"http:\/\/timesandseasons.org\" class=\"url\" rel=\"ugc\">Jonathan Green<\/a><\/span> on <span class=\"comment-post\"><a href=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2026\/11\/zion-will-have-data-centers\/#comment-563548\">Zion will have data centers<\/a><\/span>: &ldquo;<span class=\"comment-excerpt\">Stephen, yes, we&#8217;ve got some exciting new ways to discover new things. Not long ago I experimented with asking a local model to do a basic bit of textual comparison that I could have done by myself in about an hour. I was expecting the AI to take a few minutes for the sake of my feelings, but it started spitting out the answer &#8211; a pretty good answer &#8211; in maybe 5 seconds. That might mean a lot of my field gets reduced to data entry.    And I also agree very much with DaveW &#8211; making sure everyone can benefit is important, and that&#8217;s not a problem that AI will solve by itself. That includes access, and sharing the economic benefits and economic burden. One mitigating factor is that this time the blue collar professions are reaping a lot of the benefits while it&#8217;s knowledge workers getting rendered obsolete.    Kent, those are reasonable questions. I&#8217;m a lot less concerned about training data ever since Anthropic lost its lawsuit and now gets to pay me for using illicit copies of my two books as training data. Even after Anthropic pays my publisher and the law firm, the amount I get will triple my previous lifetime earnings from my academic publications. We publish academic books to disseminate knowledge, so having my work used to train Claude seems like a good thing; if I get paid for it, even better. (Anthropic: You have until December 31st for the check to clear, or I&#8217;m changing my mind about this.)    It&#8217;s quite reasonable to wonder what the point of AI is outside of tech fields. It&#8217;s taken me a while to figure out. I opened an OpenAI account back in the GPT-3 days, typed a few questions, and lost interest. It was a toy. Local models know nearly nothing about my subfield. But things changed once I moved past the &#8220;Ask AI&#8221; stage. Give a model the capability to consult web sites or search online databases, and suddenly you have a rigorously logical assistant with a great deal of knowledge about your subfield. Use the model in combination with a good programming harness, and the model can now create custom tools for your current specific need to help you get past whatever is blocking a research project. It enables this incredible new sense of dialogue as you keep the human side of the project in focus, while the AI deals with technical details that you don&#8217;t have time to learn.<\/span>&rdquo; <span class=\"comment-date\">Nov 12, 12:14<\/span><\/div><\/li><li class=\"recentcomments recent-comment\"><div class=\"comment-wrap\"><span class=\"comment-author-link\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.motleyvision.org\" class=\"url\" rel=\"ugc external nofollow\">Kent Larsen<\/a><\/span> on <span class=\"comment-post\"><a href=\"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/2026\/11\/zion-will-have-data-centers\/#comment-563547\">Zion will have data centers<\/a><\/span>: &ldquo;<span class=\"comment-excerpt\">Hmmm, are there relevant parts of Elder Gong\u2019s BYU devotional earlier this year? Or from the Pope\u2019s Magnifica Humanitas?     In addition to the concern over the power requirements of AI data centers, the concern over the less than completely ethical means for obtaining its base data and the concern that we might over-rely on AI assistants, forgetting how to do basic things to get by in life seem like they have at least an element of validity. Given that we seem to have AI wether we want it or not, or actually have uses for it (I\u2019m struggling to find ways for it to be useful for me), I\u2019d love more thought about what are good and wise uses for it\u2014ways that will holistically help me, instead of just another convenience.    I grant your points, but I remain quite skeptical, especially given the amazingly stupid uses of AI \u2014 uses where no thought is given about whether AI can actually give meaningful and useful help. Why would you ask AI for something that it doesn\u2019t know? Why would you expect AI to give results when its underlying data doesn\u2019t include the results you want?<\/span>&rdquo; <span class=\"comment-date\">Nov 12, 11:33<\/span><\/div><\/li><\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"author":20,"featured_media":0,"parent":0,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-43927","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/43927","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/20"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=43927"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/43927\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":43936,"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/43927\/revisions\/43936"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/timesandseasons.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=43927"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}