Comments on: “This Way Up”: An Outline for LDS Primary Temple and Priesthood Preparation Meeting https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/12/this-way-up-an-outline-for-lds-primary-temple-and-priesthood-preparation-meeting/ Truth Will Prevail Sun, 05 Aug 2018 23:56:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.8 By: Anonymous https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/12/this-way-up-an-outline-for-lds-primary-temple-and-priesthood-preparation-meeting/#comment-543753 Wed, 28 Feb 2018 07:24:02 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37449#comment-543753 Here is the free goodie bag tag link: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/563794447095101136/

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By: Shaylene https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/12/this-way-up-an-outline-for-lds-primary-temple-and-priesthood-preparation-meeting/#comment-543730 Sat, 24 Feb 2018 04:39:57 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37449#comment-543730 Here is the fireside program link: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/563794447095101115/

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By: Shaylene https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/12/this-way-up-an-outline-for-lds-primary-temple-and-priesthood-preparation-meeting/#comment-543729 Sat, 24 Feb 2018 04:32:16 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37449#comment-543729 I made some invitations, programs, and goodie bag tags to go along with this idea. Thanks for sharing. https://www.pinterest.com/pin/563794447095101136/

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By: Anonymous https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/12/this-way-up-an-outline-for-lds-primary-temple-and-priesthood-preparation-meeting/#comment-543594 Fri, 02 Feb 2018 22:02:19 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37449#comment-543594 GREAT…THANKS

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By: jtg https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/12/this-way-up-an-outline-for-lds-primary-temple-and-priesthood-preparation-meeting/#comment-543286 Mon, 08 Jan 2018 04:00:56 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37449#comment-543286 Nicely done!

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By: RLD https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/12/this-way-up-an-outline-for-lds-primary-temple-and-priesthood-preparation-meeting/#comment-543201 Tue, 26 Dec 2017 21:55:48 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37449#comment-543201 As the teacher of an 11-year-old Primary class and the father of an 11-year-old, I like this a lot. I especially like putting the presidents of the Beehives and Deacons in charge of a section–too often we don’t ask nearly as much of them as they are capable of, and they would benefit greatly from doing more. A thought: for the lesson on baptism for the dead this year I brought in a laptop and fired up FamilySearch, and my class was absolutely fascinated. You might consider something similar as an alternative “Lift Up” engagement activity.

As for the question of whether this leaves enough time for teaching about priesthood, I’ll point out that the Senior Primary manuals include a special lesson on priesthood just for the 11-year-old class, to be taught “before the first child in your class turns twelve.” (I could have sworn that used to say “before the first boy turns twelve” but I could be misremembering.) So that’s another opportunity to teach both the boys and the girls about priesthood, which I think is important. (I tend not to follow the manual very closely for that lesson. Elder Oaks’ April 2014 conference talk makes an appearance in my version; I can say more if there’s interest.)

It bugged me that there was no equivalent for the girls, so with the Primary President’s permission I’ve added a special lesson on the Relief Society before the first girl turns twelve. We act out part of the first Relief Society meeting, and I invite someone from the Relief Society Presidency to talk about what the Relief Society does and what it means to her. (The part of the meeting we act out includes Emma Smith and the other RS leaders arguing against John Taylor’s proposal to rename the Society despite Joseph Smith’s initial support, and that leads to a (brief) discussion on the importance of both speaking up and running inclusive meetings.)

Why talk about the Relief Society? Well, whatever the “cosmological” temple priesthood that women fully participate in is, and I sure wish we knew a lot more about it, I suspect the outside-the-temple manifestation of it for women was meant to be the Relief Society. They both come out of the same period of Joseph Smith’s thinking. Once again, it’s not really a topic for 11-year-olds, but I do include in our meeting script a few of the key quotes from Joseph Smith that hint at the importance he placed on the Society. If that prompts some of the girls and boys to realize that the Relief Society is much more than “the place Mom goes during the 3rd hour of church” then I’ll call it a win.

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By: anita https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/12/this-way-up-an-outline-for-lds-primary-temple-and-priesthood-preparation-meeting/#comment-543200 Tue, 26 Dec 2017 03:47:18 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37449#comment-543200 Good thoughts! Rachel also has some great ideas for it here: http://www.themormonhome.com/temple-preparation-and-priesthood-preview/

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By: Jerry Schmidt https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/12/this-way-up-an-outline-for-lds-primary-temple-and-priesthood-preparation-meeting/#comment-543194 Tue, 19 Dec 2017 16:41:05 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37449#comment-543194 You have given me something from “Times and Seasons” I can share with my spouse that gives her practical direction. My spouse is very practical in her approach to the gospel, while I have been a little more abstracted/distracted. It’s not a gender split necessarily, but a combination of yin and yang that has been effective in raising children in the gospel, for the most part.

What you’ve provided is a framework for her to help YM/YW understand their potential place in the gospel, and your insistence on leaving specific priesthood operational questions to quorums and young men’s presidents aligns with how she attempts to negotiate the tricky gender space between men and women in the context of church leadership.

My wife is an ardent disciple, and an operational feminist, which is how I see most women in the LDS church. But one does not call my wife a feminist to her face.

Anyhoo, thank you.

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By: Rachel https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/12/this-way-up-an-outline-for-lds-primary-temple-and-priesthood-preparation-meeting/#comment-543188 Mon, 18 Dec 2017 18:16:36 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37449#comment-543188 A few years ago I started presenting the Baptism Preview (I know, not in the handbook but a tradition our ward is invested in continuing nonetheless) as the first step on the Covenant Path. I anticipate presenting the Temple and Priesthood Preparation meeting in a similar way… I hope to post about it later this week :) Thank you so much for your careful thoughts on this meeting posted here.

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By: Rosalynde Welch https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/12/this-way-up-an-outline-for-lds-primary-temple-and-priesthood-preparation-meeting/#comment-543187 Mon, 18 Dec 2017 17:39:12 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37449#comment-543187 Thanks, TOC.

To respond to your questions, in the official directive, the new meeting is intended for the ward level, but allows for stake level meetings in the case of small numbers.

I hear your concern about providing adequate training for the prospective Aaronic priesthood members. There’s certainly a need for that kind of teaching, but I’d prefer it to happen in deacon’s quorum meetings with a narrower focus. It’s hard to envision a way for it to be done in the general meeting without alienating or condescending to the girls. Though I’m open to suggestions, because I also believe that girls should feel confident in their understanding of the priesthood and that the teachings should be transparent. There are no obvious or easy approaches, alas.

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By: The Other Clark https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/12/this-way-up-an-outline-for-lds-primary-temple-and-priesthood-preparation-meeting/#comment-543186 Mon, 18 Dec 2017 17:29:27 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37449#comment-543186 I really like the thought and preparation that went into this blog post, as well as the thought and preparation it would take to put this kind of event together. Just getting the key leaders working together on this meeting would have a significant positive effect, I think. I do have a few questions asked in a spirit of seeking clarification:

* Is the new meeting expected to be held on a stake level, or organized by wards? (Last year, there were just two boys and their dads, who met briefly (20 minutes?) at the bishop’s home, a more intimate setting). Obviously, a group of three youth is different than a stake function with 10 youth at each of the various stations.

* In reducing the old-style priesthood preview material to brief mention by the YM president, do you feel there’s any risk of ‘throwing the baby out with the bathwater’?

Obviously, adding YW to the mix will make the meeting unlike any old-style “priesthood preview,” and I look forward to seeing how this rolls out.

Ironically, while the OP laments “a major problem with our program for teen girls,” I find that in general, the YW program is much better equipped for promoting spiritual growth in teens than the YM program.

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By: Rosalynde Welch https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/12/this-way-up-an-outline-for-lds-primary-temple-and-priesthood-preparation-meeting/#comment-543185 Mon, 18 Dec 2017 17:02:19 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37449#comment-543185 Laura, you made my day. I love teaching children the gospel. There’s so much richness and power there, if we can find the words to convey it. Good luck with your own preparations!

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By: Laura https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/12/this-way-up-an-outline-for-lds-primary-temple-and-priesthood-preparation-meeting/#comment-543184 Mon, 18 Dec 2017 16:56:42 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37449#comment-543184 I love this, thank you for your hard work and preparation. I especially love that it is doctrinally deep, and really gets to the meat of gospel teaching. I will be pondering over how to best adapt this for my ward.

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