Comments on: Exodus in Earnest – Reading Nephi – 16:9-11 https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/10/reading-nephi-169-11/ Truth Will Prevail Sun, 05 Aug 2018 23:56:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.8 By: CJN https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/10/reading-nephi-169-11/#comment-542953 Tue, 31 Oct 2017 05:36:54 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37128#comment-542953 My wife is a visionary person, she gets periodic spiritual messages through dreams. This has only happened to me once, but when it does happen there is a certainty and clarity and peace that accompanies it. I can imagine it is even more that way for a vision.

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By: Clark Goble https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/10/reading-nephi-169-11/#comment-542876 Mon, 23 Oct 2017 16:38:19 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37128#comment-542876 That’s an interesting point about Jeremiah on dreams. I’ll confess I don’t know a lot about the debates over Jeremiah 23:28’s exegesis. I think taking it as opposing all dreams is a bit problematic. It’s talking about lying prophets whose dreams are telling the people to forget Jehovah – hardly Lehi’s position. The NIV is particularly good here:

“I have heard what the prophets say who prophesy lies in my name. They say, ‘I had a dream! I had a dream!’ How long will this continue in the hearts of these lying prophets, who prophesy the delusions of their own minds? They think the dreams they tell one another will make my people forget my name, just as their ancestors forgot my name through Baal worship. Let the prophet who has a dream recount the dream, but let the one who has my word speak it faithfully. For what has straw to do with grain?” declares the Lord. “Is not my word like fire,” declares the Lord, “and like a hammer that breaks a rock in pieces?

There are after all lots of references to revelation from dreams both in Genesis but even well into the second temple period. But it’s also that dreams were seen as the cause of destruction of Israel (not only in Jeremiah but Zech 10:2; Ecc 5:3, 7) It’s still an interesting point given Jeremiah’s polemic I’d not thought of before.

The point about dreams being perhaps problematic for direction is a good one. The Liahona (that in some ways is like a seer stone – especially in Joseph’s understanding) is much more explicit. The makeup of the Liahona is pretty vague. I do think the second spindle was explained though. One points to the path of travel, the other towards food.

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