Comments on: What’s in a name? A historical note on the title of the Mission President’s Wife https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/09/whats-in-a-name-a-historical-note-on-the-title-of-the-mission-presidents-wife/ Truth Will Prevail Sun, 05 Aug 2018 23:56:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.8 By: Clark Goble https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/09/whats-in-a-name-a-historical-note-on-the-title-of-the-mission-presidents-wife/#comment-542697 Fri, 22 Sep 2017 17:27:30 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37194#comment-542697 I think the big problem is that socially how people view motherhood has changed. And frankly it’s become degraded as a valuable job. On the one hand the reasons for this were good – decades of people presuming women were only caregivers or homemakers. That presumption tended to lead to the unconscious reaction that motherhood was somehow not as valuable. Just consider how people instinctively react to “mission CEO” or “mission mom” and you can see the social value difference.

Now we might understandably see this as something society has lost. Why can’t we not assume women are just mothers without also devaluing that as a job? Yet given all the people who already devalued the job (which really was the sexism behind the presumption) then it’s hardly surprising the reaction will buy into the same devaluing. While I think we should value motherhood much higher (fatherhood too) the reality is that society doesn’t. As such when you use terms like “mission mom” you just can’t isolate it from those wider social meanings. So we really should stop using it.

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By: H_Bob https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/09/whats-in-a-name-a-historical-note-on-the-title-of-the-mission-presidents-wife/#comment-542696 Fri, 22 Sep 2017 14:48:22 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37194#comment-542696 Taking a cue from trek (never thought I’d say that), why not just “Mission Ma and Pa”? Or Madre y Padre? And focus on “presiding” as showing the elders and sisters you’re responsible for what a truly gospel-centered family looks like?

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By: Bruce F. https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/09/whats-in-a-name-a-historical-note-on-the-title-of-the-mission-presidents-wife/#comment-542691 Thu, 21 Sep 2017 15:47:12 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37194#comment-542691 While respecting everyone’s opinions who commented before me, I have to say that I for one enjoyed calling my two mission president’s wives the Mission Mom, because that’s what the were to so many of us. They nurtured us physically (at arm’s length) and spiritually. The lectured us about washing our sheets and eating right while also helping to build our testimonies and our desires to serve the Lord. My two Mission Moms earned the title Mom, and I was glad to refer to them by that title. There were several of us who went through various stages of depression while I was serving, and after the mission president got done lecturing us on the topic as men did in those days (early 70’s), it was the Mission Mom’s heartfelt kindness and gentleness that actually made the difference. To me personally, it was a title of honor.

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By: The Other Brother Jones https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/09/whats-in-a-name-a-historical-note-on-the-title-of-the-mission-presidents-wife/#comment-542640 Tue, 12 Sep 2017 20:56:22 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37194#comment-542640 My first mission Pres often introduce himslef with his wife saying “We are the President of the mission” or similar. Also, We almost always referred to the Pres’ wife as “Sister Pres” Once I absent mindedly (and to my horror) called her that to her face and she didn’t mind at all

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By: Anon https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/09/whats-in-a-name-a-historical-note-on-the-title-of-the-mission-presidents-wife/#comment-542635 Tue, 12 Sep 2017 08:23:52 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37194#comment-542635 When “Mom” is displayed disparaged for being essentially a home economics term (“about recipes”) rather than one of love and honor from someone who cares for you, it shows how far we’ve gone… I’m not saying see should be called Mom. But the knee jerk feeling is revealing.

That being said, lest you get the wrong idea, I’m fully supportive of a mission presidency that delegates all normal operations of sister missionaries to a Sister Mission President in a similar manor as the relief society cooperates with the bishopric.

They’d council together on changes so it’s not operating outside the purview of the presiding authority.

But lest you think I care for feminist progress for the sake of equal power representation, I think for all its wonderful individual growth that’s occasionally occurring by involving more women in administration tasks, it’s coming at a cost to families and future generations.

But the men are shirking their responsibilities in so many ways we need the women to help more it seems.

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By: Old Man https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/09/whats-in-a-name-a-historical-note-on-the-title-of-the-mission-presidents-wife/#comment-542632 Mon, 11 Sep 2017 23:50:39 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37194#comment-542632 Mission Matron is about all I can come up with… although I did think for a whimsical moment about reinstating noble titles for Church titles, I always did like “Dame” Judi Dench.

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By: smb https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/09/whats-in-a-name-a-historical-note-on-the-title-of-the-mission-presidents-wife/#comment-542623 Mon, 11 Sep 2017 12:03:29 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37194#comment-542623 minor point. At the Pulpit is by two women, Jenny Reeder and Kate Holbrook. it’s a great book.

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By: Pete https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/09/whats-in-a-name-a-historical-note-on-the-title-of-the-mission-presidents-wife/#comment-542621 Sun, 10 Sep 2017 01:54:43 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37194#comment-542621 Why can’t the couple be addressed as Sister and Brother X, presidents of XYZ mission? We are supposed to address counselors in a stake presidency as ‘President’.

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By: David Evans https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/09/whats-in-a-name-a-historical-note-on-the-title-of-the-mission-presidents-wife/#comment-542611 Fri, 08 Sep 2017 14:22:50 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37194#comment-542611 ACW: Just a tad! Thank you. Fixed. (Couldn’t fix the chart so deleted it; it’s in the article by Cassler and McBaine.)

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By: acw https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/09/whats-in-a-name-a-historical-note-on-the-title-of-the-mission-presidents-wife/#comment-542610 Fri, 08 Sep 2017 14:06:00 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37194#comment-542610 a tad ironic given the topic that you misspelled Neylan’s last name–please go through and correct the article and chart to be McBaine with an e. As you’ve demonstrated, naming matters :-)

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By: David Evans https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/09/whats-in-a-name-a-historical-note-on-the-title-of-the-mission-presidents-wife/#comment-542609 Fri, 08 Sep 2017 13:36:32 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37194#comment-542609 Yes, advisor is a great idea. In Spanish, one would have to use “asesora” (I think) rather than the alternative “consejera” to distinguish from the counselors in the mission presidency.

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By: JR https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/09/whats-in-a-name-a-historical-note-on-the-title-of-the-mission-presidents-wife/#comment-542608 Fri, 08 Sep 2017 13:05:05 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37194#comment-542608 Yes, Julie! “Advisor” seems to describe a flexible and appropriate role without any overtones of genderism or authority. It is also much more respectful that the informal titles some of us had for my second mission president’s wife.

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By: juliemariesmith https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/09/whats-in-a-name-a-historical-note-on-the-title-of-the-mission-presidents-wife/#comment-542607 Fri, 08 Sep 2017 12:51:23 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37194#comment-542607 I think “advisor” would be the best title. You would refer to her as “Advisor Jones” or abstractly as “the Mission Advisor.” Not sure about how to find the best parallels in other languages, but I think “advisor” is the best English word.

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By: David Evans https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/09/whats-in-a-name-a-historical-note-on-the-title-of-the-mission-presidents-wife/#comment-542606 Fri, 08 Sep 2017 12:30:36 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37194#comment-542606 Left Field: Sure, agree on that point.

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By: Left Field https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/09/whats-in-a-name-a-historical-note-on-the-title-of-the-mission-presidents-wife/#comment-542605 Fri, 08 Sep 2017 12:30:01 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37194#comment-542605 …and not really very concise a question, for that matter.

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