Comments on: Follow the Prophet to Jesus: A Sharing Time or Family Home Evening Lesson Plan https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/09/follow-the-prophet-to-jesus-a-sharing-time-or-family-home-evening-lesson-plan/ Truth Will Prevail Sun, 05 Aug 2018 23:56:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.8 By: Lisa Fluckiger https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/09/follow-the-prophet-to-jesus-a-sharing-time-or-family-home-evening-lesson-plan/#comment-542868 Sun, 22 Oct 2017 13:29:26 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37256#comment-542868 Rosalynde – I have been thinking of this idea since you wrote it a month ago – thanks. In my seminary prep this morning, I read 2 Nephi 26:8, and I think it could be used to add to this important principle. Thanks for writing.

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By: p https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/09/follow-the-prophet-to-jesus-a-sharing-time-or-family-home-evening-lesson-plan/#comment-542737 Fri, 29 Sep 2017 16:20:48 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37256#comment-542737 Why I used the term “sociopolitical,” Clark. Disillusionment is antecedent, it doesn’t come out of nowhere and only rarely because a member is so naive as to believe leaders do not sin.

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By: Clark Goble https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/09/follow-the-prophet-to-jesus-a-sharing-time-or-family-home-evening-lesson-plan/#comment-542732 Fri, 29 Sep 2017 03:31:17 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37256#comment-542732 “Reactionary leadership” tends to just indicate a political disagreement IMO. I disagree with the politics of many figures – the John Bircher conspiracy theory and libertarian ideology of Pres. Benson as well as the overly anti-war view of people like J. Reuben Clark who excused far too much in WWII seeking peace. The liberalism of David O McKay and the progressivism of many church leaders during the heyday of progressive technocrats prior to WWII. Everyone tends to think their politics are right. I’m sure the Bundys in Nevada decry the liberalism of the current brethren. All of which ought make us think twice as if we’re speaking from a place where we are truly confident we’re right.

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By: p https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/09/follow-the-prophet-to-jesus-a-sharing-time-or-family-home-evening-lesson-plan/#comment-542731 Thu, 28 Sep 2017 23:34:52 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37256#comment-542731 Human foibles are one thing, a systematic, entrenched hard-right sociopolitical orientation quite another. I understand Rosalynde’s sweet intent with this piece and would love to endorse, but it seems backwards to me. Isn’t disillusion normal among followers of Christ given several decades of reactionary leadership?

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By: Anonymous https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/09/follow-the-prophet-to-jesus-a-sharing-time-or-family-home-evening-lesson-plan/#comment-542727 Thu, 28 Sep 2017 15:25:18 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37256#comment-542727 P, I confess that seems a bit odd to me. Especially considering the examples in the scriptures especially the NT. It seems hard to read Paul or about Peter and not see them with the same issues. That is, you seem to be assuming being Christian entails behaviors I’m not sure it does.

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By: p https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/09/follow-the-prophet-to-jesus-a-sharing-time-or-family-home-evening-lesson-plan/#comment-542726 Wed, 27 Sep 2017 23:01:01 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37256#comment-542726 IOW maybe the problem is not with a disillusioned membership that expects too much and must be inoculated while young but with a disillusioning hierarchy that consistently fails to observe basic Christian standards and repeats the same mistakes over & over again, albeit w/ different categories of “enemies.”

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By: p https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/09/follow-the-prophet-to-jesus-a-sharing-time-or-family-home-evening-lesson-plan/#comment-542725 Wed, 27 Sep 2017 20:58:56 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37256#comment-542725 I understand what you’re trying to say here, Roselynde, but it is unclear to me how homophobic, sexist, formerly racist, authoritarian, anti-intellectual Republicans – the sheer decades-long weight of this – might lead anyone to Jesus, let alone our children. I stay in the Church despite these men, not because of them and, except in rare instances (Neal Maxwell’s address On Patience comes to mind), do not look to them for guidance let alone inspiration. This is my hard truth and I feel uncomfortable expressing it but am compelled to do so in this instance.

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By: Anonymous https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/09/follow-the-prophet-to-jesus-a-sharing-time-or-family-home-evening-lesson-plan/#comment-542715 Wed, 27 Sep 2017 04:40:06 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37256#comment-542715 This is perfect for me too. I needed the reminder and faith building as I dive deeper into church history. Easier sometimes to just pretend it isn’t there. But a good reminder that pointing us to Christ is the ultimate goal.

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By: FarSide https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/09/follow-the-prophet-to-jesus-a-sharing-time-or-family-home-evening-lesson-plan/#comment-542712 Tue, 26 Sep 2017 19:13:52 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37256#comment-542712 Very nice, Rosalynde. This is a keeper.

I’ve always been impressed with Alma’s counsel to his son Helaman, as chronicled in Alma 37. There, he candidly acknowledges, in some detail, his own past mistakes—an act of humility that does not come naturally to most men, especially those in positions of authority. And his self-awareness of his own limitations provides the foundation for the counsel he imparts to his son in verses 3 and 27 of Alma chapter 26: trust in the Lord, not in any one man, and build your faith on the scriptures. In other words: “Don’t follow me; follow the Savior.”

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By: Martin https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/09/follow-the-prophet-to-jesus-a-sharing-time-or-family-home-evening-lesson-plan/#comment-542711 Tue, 26 Sep 2017 18:09:14 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37256#comment-542711 I think this is absolutely fantastic! What a wonderful sharing time. Fills one with affection for the person who came up with it!

Part of the “Follow the Prophet” emphasis is preventing children from considering other voices to be as authoritative. Of course, that backfires if people leave the church when they conclude the church leaders are fallible. On the other hand, if anybody’s voice is equally good (assuming some sort of criteria which isn’t clear how to establish), how does one maintain unity of the faith? Does one want “following the prophet” to be reduced to simply following people who seem to have their acts together? Obviously, believing people can disagree a lot over beliefs, and I suspect a lot of people don’t feel a strong need for everybody to believe the same as long as there’s considerable overlap. It probably wouldn’t be in the best interest of the institutional church for children to consider their primary president to be just as prophetic as an apostle, even when on a practical, day-to-day basis, it may be true.

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By: Rosalynde Welch https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/09/follow-the-prophet-to-jesus-a-sharing-time-or-family-home-evening-lesson-plan/#comment-542709 Tue, 26 Sep 2017 12:59:57 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37256#comment-542709 Thanks for the kind comments, all!

Jones, thanks for bringing out a point that I didn’t explicitly cover in the intro: when we look to prophets as an example of repentance, it elegantly strikes that balance of implicitly acknowledging that they sin and make mistakes, yet still allowing us to honor and follow them with confidence.

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By: Leonard R https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/09/follow-the-prophet-to-jesus-a-sharing-time-or-family-home-evening-lesson-plan/#comment-542708 Tue, 26 Sep 2017 11:14:30 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37256#comment-542708 Great stuff. I especially loved the ending – giving a great way to connect kids to General Conference and the existence/role/mandate of the General Primary President. With already having emphasized the unique prophetic role of the President of the a Church, It also leads open a good door to talk about the gift of prophecy within local leaders/teachers/parents and themselves as well, and solidifying that connection to a spiritual witness of Christ.

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By: Jones https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/09/follow-the-prophet-to-jesus-a-sharing-time-or-family-home-evening-lesson-plan/#comment-542706 Tue, 26 Sep 2017 03:19:02 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37256#comment-542706 Beautiful!l I love how you’ve incorporated a variety of prophets to be examples of the principles and ordinances and you’ve included females as righteous examples. This is a respectful but realistic way to help us remember that even our faithful Priesthood leaders have need of repentance.

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By: Rachel https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/09/follow-the-prophet-to-jesus-a-sharing-time-or-family-home-evening-lesson-plan/#comment-542705 Tue, 26 Sep 2017 01:32:59 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37256#comment-542705 This is truly lovely, Rosalynde. Thoughtful preparation can reward our Primary children so richly. Thank you for sharing!

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