Comments on: Primary Sharing Time Lesson: All Are Alike unto God https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/08/primary-sharing-time-lesson-all-are-alike-unto-god/ Truth Will Prevail Sun, 05 Aug 2018 23:56:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.8 By: Rosemary N. Palmer https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/08/primary-sharing-time-lesson-all-are-alike-unto-god/#comment-542544 Mon, 04 Sep 2017 18:07:15 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37155#comment-542544 Also, Jane Manning James was sealed to the Joseph Smith at a time when she could not be sealed to her own dh, and at her request — he’d asked her if she wanted to be sealed to him and Emma just weeks before his death, and she hadn’t decided yet. She was very gratified when the Prophet of about the 1920’s agreed she could be. When her proxy work was done in 1979 when blacks could hold the priesthood, she was sealed to her dh.

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By: Rosemary N. Palmer https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/08/primary-sharing-time-lesson-all-are-alike-unto-god/#comment-542543 Mon, 04 Sep 2017 17:34:06 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37155#comment-542543 if you add in the fact that Jane Manning James joined the Smith household only after she’s searched everywhere in nauvoo without finding employment, you tell a more informed story. No one who is aware of her full story would perceive her as having an easy time.

Also, when you are speaking about black members, Primary should be careful to include Green Flake, Hank ? and Oscar? in all Pioneer sharing times/activities, as well as pointing out that Green Flake joined the church with his slave keeping master.

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By: BevP https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/08/primary-sharing-time-lesson-all-are-alike-unto-god/#comment-542537 Fri, 01 Sep 2017 10:38:10 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37155#comment-542537 I note that the couple at the top of the triangle of a huge world’s family is white. The lesson and the principles of it are excellent, but I accept the problem of using Jane Manning James and not telling the outcome.

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By: stephenchardy https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/08/primary-sharing-time-lesson-all-are-alike-unto-god/#comment-542523 Tue, 29 Aug 2017 13:11:13 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37155#comment-542523 I’ll repeat this at the end of my post: I loved this sharing time, and if I were still in the primary, I would use it.

I have concerns about the use of Jane Manning James. I am no expert of her, but based on limited reading I understand:

She joined the church in 1842.

She made it to Nauvoo where she was closely associated with the Joseph Smith household until Joseph’s death. Thus the warm welcome described above.

She emigrated to Utah and lived there I believe until her death in 1908. Joseph F Smith spoke at her funeral. She and Joseph F Smith may have known each-other all the way back in Nauvoo.

So here is the obvious hard part: she never was allowed full fellowship with the church. She was denied access to the temple and to standard temple ceremonies. From her Wikipedia page:

“James continued to ask that she and her family be given the ordinance of adoption so that they could be sealed together forever. Her justification for asking to be the exception to the church’s rule was Emma Smith’s offer in 1844 to have her sealed to the Smith family as a child. James was now reconsidering her decision, and asked to be sealed to the Smiths. Her requests were again refused. Instead, the First Presidency “decided she might be adopted into the family of Joseph Smith as a servant, which was done, a special ceremony having been prepared for the purpose.”[10] The ceremony took place on May 18, 1894, with Joseph F. Smith acting as proxy for Joseph Smith, and Bathsheba W. Smith acting as proxy for James (who was not allowed into the temple for the ordinance).[11] In the ceremony, James was “attached as a Servitor for eternity to the prophet Joseph Smith and in this capacity be connected with his family and be obedient to him in all things in the Lord as a faithful Servitor””

Back to me now: Thus Jane Manning James was denied an endowment and was attached as a servant to the Joseph Smith family. Her proxy work was done, I understand, in 1979, 71 years after her death.

She provides me with an example not of equality, but of pure stark institutional racism.

I would have a hard time teaching only part of this story, to my peers, to the youth, and to the primary. If we are going to include her in a lesson on “all being alike unto God” then we have to make it clear that we as a church, as an institution, fell far short of living up to that ideal. I likely would have been comfortable teaching that to my children at home. I am not likely to teach such a thing to a group of LDS children at Sharing Time. The story of her warm welcome in Nauvoo must be made in contrast to her unfair and racist treatment as a faithful member. Yes she was welcomed and protected. She was not a peer.

Lest we think that her status in Utah was somehow downgraded from whatever status she had in Nauvoo, lets remember that she did not apparently take advantage of the Nauvoo temple. As a member of the Joseph Smith household. Why was that? Does anyone know?

Let me say again: this is a FANTASTIC sharing time, and I would use it. I would however likely drop the inclusion of Sister Jane Manning James, and consider finding another person of color in her place. I would be interested if anyone else would be uncomfortable telling only part of her story.

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By: Kari https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/08/primary-sharing-time-lesson-all-are-alike-unto-god/#comment-542518 Sun, 27 Aug 2017 13:44:20 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37155#comment-542518 Thank you for this. I’m using it today.

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By: fbisti https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/08/primary-sharing-time-lesson-all-are-alike-unto-god/#comment-542516 Sat, 26 Aug 2017 17:20:30 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37155#comment-542516 Marianne: I am, admittedly, an old “baby boomer.” So, not up on the latest terminology. But, what is “transracial?” Is it different from “multiracial?”

respectfully,

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By: Jerry Schmidt https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/08/primary-sharing-time-lesson-all-are-alike-unto-god/#comment-542513 Sat, 26 Aug 2017 00:57:36 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37155#comment-542513 I do agree rhat these lessons are well-thought out, and feel they are consistent with my understanding of the element of equality at least implied in the gospel.

I feel the need to speak to speak to jj’s comment, though it bteaks my personal policy of avoiding crosstalk.

Has there ever been a time and place where a primary or sunday school teacher, or even a seminary or institute teacher, been accountable to parents for their lessons, particularly in advance of the lessons themselves?

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By: Marianne https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/08/primary-sharing-time-lesson-all-are-alike-unto-god/#comment-542512 Fri, 25 Aug 2017 23:54:49 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37155#comment-542512 I love this. Our family is transracial and I would love for my son to have this lesson. He gets lots of black history lessons in school but I love this in the frame of the Gospel.

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By: MH https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/08/primary-sharing-time-lesson-all-are-alike-unto-god/#comment-542511 Fri, 25 Aug 2017 23:50:10 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37155#comment-542511 I know we’re talking about Primary here, but a lesson like this really runs the risk of whitewashing things (no pun intended. Okay, pun half-intended). I know this isn’t a history lecture, but if you’re going to use historical motifs like Jane Manning James’s story or Gordon B Hinkley’s words, I would feel some need as a teacher to go further. I would consider briefly telling the kids that not every member had the smooth ride sister Manning’s narrative may suggest and that not every leader had the same mentality on race as President Hinkley.

Again, I know these kids are young, but for me, freshman year at BYU was way too late to be finding out that the Church’s experience with diversity was not as harmonious as every teacher from primary, young men’s, and seminary wanted me to think it was.

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By: Elizabeth Osborn https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/08/primary-sharing-time-lesson-all-are-alike-unto-god/#comment-542510 Fri, 25 Aug 2017 23:01:09 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37155#comment-542510 Fat thumb… 2017, not 2016

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By: Elizabeth Osborn https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/08/primary-sharing-time-lesson-all-are-alike-unto-god/#comment-542509 Fri, 25 Aug 2017 23:00:30 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37155#comment-542509 ji, I think her lesson is spot on; and entirely in line with the material in the September 2016 Ensign, p. 72. There is such a huge lead time in preparing church magazines for publication… it is a sweet mercy to have this lesson of Respecting Others published right now!

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By: James Olsen https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/08/primary-sharing-time-lesson-all-are-alike-unto-god/#comment-542508 Fri, 25 Aug 2017 21:20:18 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37155#comment-542508 Thank you for sharing this. I think we’ve generally done a good job of getting rid of our racist materials and narratives. But we still suffer significant problems in part because we don’t have enough positive materials—at all levels—directly addressing racism and offering clear doctrinal explanations for its evil. Thank you for offering a brilliant lesson for our primaries.

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By: Lily https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/08/primary-sharing-time-lesson-all-are-alike-unto-god/#comment-542507 Fri, 25 Aug 2017 20:54:43 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37155#comment-542507 I have the same question as “Need Citation”, how is “all are alike unto God” a controversial topic?

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By: EmJen https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/08/primary-sharing-time-lesson-all-are-alike-unto-god/#comment-542506 Fri, 25 Aug 2017 15:52:37 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37155#comment-542506 Nicely there is an article in the upcoming September Friend that features Jane Manning James that you could also use for Jr. or Sr. Primary: https://www.lds.org/friend/2017/09/janes-choice?lang=eng

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By: Kol https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/08/primary-sharing-time-lesson-all-are-alike-unto-god/#comment-542505 Fri, 25 Aug 2017 15:10:13 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=37155#comment-542505 I love this!

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