Comments on: Three big things (and some little things) this lifelong Mormon learned from Matt Bowman’s history of the Church https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/03/three-big-things-and-some-little-things-this-lifelong-mormon-learned-from-matt-bowmans-history-of-the-church/ Truth Will Prevail Sun, 05 Aug 2018 23:56:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.8 By: David Evans https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/03/three-big-things-and-some-little-things-this-lifelong-mormon-learned-from-matt-bowmans-history-of-the-church/#comment-540881 Mon, 27 Mar 2017 18:39:52 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=36369#comment-540881 Clark, you’ve convinced me on the broader definition of theology. And nice points on recent innovations. It would be interesting to see Matt’s take on those.

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By: Wally https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/03/three-big-things-and-some-little-things-this-lifelong-mormon-learned-from-matt-bowmans-history-of-the-church/#comment-540877 Fri, 24 Mar 2017 15:55:33 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=36369#comment-540877 I enjoyed Matt’s book immensely. Yes, there are always quibbles, but for one volume to tackle the whole history of Mormonism in such an objective, up-to-date, and readable way is quite an accomplishment. This is one of the couple of books I always recommend to people who want to know where to start in their introduction to Mormon studies. I consider it an essential starting point.

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By: Clark https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/03/three-big-things-and-some-little-things-this-lifelong-mormon-learned-from-matt-bowmans-history-of-the-church/#comment-540876 Fri, 24 Mar 2017 15:45:11 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=36369#comment-540876 I suppose that depends upon what one means by theology. I think that as a practical matter those who buy into the apologetic rethinking of scriptural events also end up with different theology. That is if you look at it most also are doing a lot of theological thinking. Blake Ostler is the obvious example but there’s a whole group involved in process theology. I’m not sure I buy that whole movement, and of course there were elements of it in the early 20th century during the Widstoe era with the first generation of Mormons trained as philosophers.

What I’d tend to say characterizes this later theological period which is so interesting is the focus on the possibilities of Mormon theology and scripture rather than dogma. Second is a fairly sophisticated engagement with science, history and philosophy. While process theology and phenomenology/hermeneutics have tended to drive a lot of it there are interesting theological proper proposals. I’m here thinking of the adoption of Levinas’ work on ethics and the Other as a way to understand intelligence in Mormon philosophy, the emphasis on God as finite and open drawing out the implications, the strong emphasis on a Christology that emphasizes the shared ‘humanity’ of both God and mortals, the emphasis on a formalized theory of praxis that Faulconer and others have done, a thinking through the details of revelation, work on time and space required to reconcile Mormon notions of eternity with physics, and so forth. The most significant engaged with theological notion of the past 30 years is of course grace which has been dealt with in sustained ways from very different approaches. (It’s hard to imagine more difference than between say Adam Miller and Stephen Robinson for instance)

Beyond those works which line up more with traditional approaches to theology there’s the more hermeneutic approach to theology that I think you see in many works the Maxwell Institute has done. While I enjoy such works I’d tend to agree with you that they don’t always deal with broader issues. But I’m not sure they’re any less theological but perhaps are a rather unique transformation of theology into hermeneutic engagement with particular texts. Obviously Alma 32 is the most popular text of this sort but we’ve seen works dealing with Isaiah in the Book of Mormon, and even the idea of theological engagement as a kind of play.

What really characterizes this contemporary period is precisely the variety of approaches taken, often arising by engaging with broader disciplines from the academy and close readings of text making us of such theoretic apparatus.

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By: David Evans https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/03/three-big-things-and-some-little-things-this-lifelong-mormon-learned-from-matt-bowmans-history-of-the-church/#comment-540875 Fri, 24 Mar 2017 12:04:36 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=36369#comment-540875 Thanks, Clark. He does narrate the early 20th century shift that you describe, but (as I recall) less of the shift you characterize from the 1990+ of “scientifically sophisticated theology.” That said, I’d respectful propose that the shift toward a meso-American geographic model isn’t theology per se. (What does it tell us about the nature of God?) Your example of Book of Mormon readings fit my working, mental definition, although I’m not so familiar with that work.

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By: Clark https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/03/three-big-things-and-some-little-things-this-lifelong-mormon-learned-from-matt-bowmans-history-of-the-church/#comment-540873 Thu, 23 Mar 2017 22:32:15 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=36369#comment-540873 That’s a good point Dave. I was going to mention Givens but then realized he never really did a one volume historical situating of Mormons.

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By: Dave B. https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/03/three-big-things-and-some-little-things-this-lifelong-mormon-learned-from-matt-bowmans-history-of-the-church/#comment-540872 Thu, 23 Mar 2017 20:25:31 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=36369#comment-540872 Nice post on a fine book. It sure would be nice if there was some up-to-date competition in the one-volume history of the LDS Church segment — Story of the Latter-day Saints is somewhat dated at this point and Arrington’s The Mormon Experience wasn’t really directed to general readers. Bowman’s book fills the void left by the Church’s unwillingness to sponsor a semi-official volume to replace Essentials in Church History.

Fortunately, it is a fair and readable book. But I have to think that if he had not been working with a very small window for writing and publishing the book, there would have been some improvements. Maybe a second edition in a few years will make that happen.

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By: Clark https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/03/three-big-things-and-some-little-things-this-lifelong-mormon-learned-from-matt-bowmans-history-of-the-church/#comment-540871 Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:47:52 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=36369#comment-540871

He also narrates a fascinating transition around the mid-20th century, with “a growing suspicion of theological innovation in favor of an emphasis on correct behavior.”

That’s interesting. I’m not sure I buy it. There’s certainly an emphasis on behavior but to a degree that was always true. In recent years you have works by say Jim Falconer arguing that Mormonism is more like Judaism with a focus on praxis rather than theory. While there’s a truth in that I confess I’m pretty skeptical of the general thesis.

My skepticism comes largely because I think the period of greatest theological innovation since the Nauvoo period was precisely the late 20th century particularly with the rise of apologetics. While many of the elements apologetics took hold of could be found in history (particular the era in the very early 20th century when Roberts, Widstoe and Talmage were pushing a scientifically informed approach to theology) it’s the era of the 1990’s that you really see a huge shift towards a scientifically sophisticated theology. We have the rise of the limited mesoAmerican geographic model and a shift away from naive hemispheric views of Nephites. Closely associated with this were much closer readings of the Book of Mormon from a theological perspective tying the text to various ancient theologies (often somewhat anachronistic to the text despite being ancient)

Where you see theological innovation being problematic tends to be where it is closely associated with political aims. Thus the Toscano’s theology can’t be separated from their attempts to reform church courts. Likewise their writings on deity along with many other figures from that time were wrapped up in debates about praying to Mother in Heaven along with giving women the priesthood offices. Again theology where the primary problem wasn’t the abstract theories so much as praxis and more importantly a grass roots push for change in practice independent of the Apostles.

Just curious if he addresses that set of criticisms.

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