Comments on: Shape of Agency Part 2 https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/03/36383/ Truth Will Prevail Sun, 05 Aug 2018 23:56:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.8 By: Clark Goble https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/03/36383/#comment-540883 Mon, 27 Mar 2017 20:19:01 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=36383#comment-540883 I don’t want to portray this sense of freedom as alien to liberal modernism. Rather I just want to note how different it is from what liberalism calls freedom (either political or ontological).

You’re right that the state does hold a similar form. Thus to have a market and thus freedom in the classic sense one needs first to have the institutions that make a space for that market and choices. You can see then that rights of various sorts are a kind of creation by the state that enables freedoms. As I think we saw in Iraq when those institutions aren’t in place you really don’t have freedom.

That said I’ll be taking up the philosophy of modernism next. I originally had written that part, then decided I didn’t like it and realized I wanted to write this part first even though it’s really just an extension of what I wrote last week.

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By: Jeff G https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2017/03/36383/#comment-540882 Mon, 27 Mar 2017 18:47:34 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=36383#comment-540882 This was a truly great post Clark.

As I’m sure you know, I am fully on board with pulling modern liberal freedom apart from “Hebraic” freedom….. With that said, the version of freedom that you speak of does sound a lot like a modern state whose primary responsibility is to enforce contracts and property relations while also remaining (ideally) neutral with regards to the terms of those contracts.

The imagery of God holding back the chaos in order to give us space to choose doesn’t sound all that different from the freedom granted to producers and consumers within the modern state.

Again, I absolutely do not wan to read such modern ideals into the ancient text, but I’m not seeing the big difference that you seem to see. Care to elaborate a bit?

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