Comments on: Sunday School 2.0 (sort of) https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/12/sunday-school-2-0-sort-of/ Truth Will Prevail Sun, 05 Aug 2018 23:56:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.8 By: BigSky https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/12/sunday-school-2-0-sort-of/#comment-540244 Sat, 21 Jan 2017 20:32:25 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=36050#comment-540244 Since correlation (perhaps before), teaching within the church seems to be largely didactic. This has become culturally entrenched and will take time to unwind. It seems to me a few of the twelve are committed to changing not only curriculum but how principles and doctrines are taught and applied. For example, CES recently announced they have retired Scripture Mastery, a program of rote memorization that is at least a few decades old, implying it does little to help youth prepare for the modern world. Instead, according to Elder Ballard, doctrine needs to be taught in seminary in a way that helps youth learn how to apply doctrines to solving contemporary problems. I think he even said in the past our youth have lead sheltered lives (which I would argue was the church’s purpose and is its own fault–but that is another discussion).

While church membership has been marinating in a church culture of “follow the prophet” we may be more committed to familiar patterns and traditions. Part of the resistance to embracing a new history of our origins–and the challenges and change in self-identify it may imply–lies with members themselves. The new history, for example, is confusing to many. Did Joseph Smith see two heavenly beings in a grove descend upon him? Or is the reality of what happened much more complex, and how did the popular, simplified narrative come to be if, in fact, the way he recorded the event changes over time as he retells it? What does all of this mean to what I believe and how I feel? These are difficult ideas for some members to embrace, and can create feelings of spiritual instability. At least that is what I’m seeing as our ward works to push forward the new history on the first vision, blacks and the priesthood, etc., and what it means to believers and non-believers.

We are talking openly in our ward and classes both about the new teacher council program and the new information, and how it can be joined with curriculum. We all walked through the church’s app (Gospel Library/Church History/Gospel Topics Essays, and Revelations in Context, and Joseph Smith’s Accounts of the First Vision) on our first Sunday of the year and talked about what it means. I see uncomfortable body language and comments coming from some, and excitement from others.

How this is adopted within wards I believe will depend on the support the idea has starting with the bishop and working through other leaders. It will then require skilled teachers who know the scriptures, our doctrines, and, I’ll argue most importantly, the historical context within which scriptural and doctrinal meaning is formed. Teaching Gospel Doctrine will require a serious student of it, and not someone called who takes the class paragraph-by-paragraph through the lesson.

I’ll add one last thought: I am seeing teachers in my ward embrace the direction given by the new teaching program that unlocks their ability to take greater liberties to roam in class according to the needs and interests of the students and goals of the teacher. Even with the building momentum for change, which I see as being very positive and I might assert mildly progressive, it will take years and years for us to embrace this change culturally. I think we’ll be challenged not only with new information, but with the need to adopt a new way of thinking about our faith and the knowledge which plays an important part in building our faith. While I wish church leadership would move at a faster pace, I also understand doing so risks alienating maybe half of our members. It will take time. Success will depend on the church’s ability to ‘push’ and the local church to ‘pull.’

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By: LdsMarco https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/12/sunday-school-2-0-sort-of/#comment-539934 Thu, 15 Dec 2016 01:01:00 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=36050#comment-539934 I say prepare all needful things and teach by the spirit. The manual is only a guide. It’s not mandatory. I rather be in a class where we can discuss openly.

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By: Curtis C https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/12/sunday-school-2-0-sort-of/#comment-539933 Wed, 14 Dec 2016 23:43:57 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=36050#comment-539933 Funny that Terry H says that. When they split our ward and I was called as the scoutmaster, we were in the process of looking for a second vehicle. Ended up settling on a Chevy 3/4-ton. Four years later, (six months after being released) I sold the truck to my brother-in-law. Couldn’t justify the poor gas mileage when I didn’t need the truck for camping and other outdoor activities. :o)

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By: Terry H https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/12/sunday-school-2-0-sort-of/#comment-539900 Tue, 13 Dec 2016 02:18:15 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=36050#comment-539900 It also helps to have a truck ;)

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By: Clark Goble https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/12/sunday-school-2-0-sort-of/#comment-539896 Mon, 12 Dec 2016 21:16:24 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=36050#comment-539896 After being a scout leader for many years I’m about at the stage of wishing I was a GD teacher. LOL. But the reality is that’s a really difficult calling for people for some reason. It’s more often done poorly rather than well when people do their calling at all. So I suspect most wards have that as a focus.

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By: Terry H https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/12/sunday-school-2-0-sort-of/#comment-539890 Mon, 12 Dec 2016 06:01:56 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=36050#comment-539890 Actually, I found the essays and the new Revelations in Context manual in the Church history portion of the Gospel Library App along with Insitute manuals, the four(!) versions of the First vision, and other things. All of it updated. Having said that, I agree with all the criticisms above. Where’s Kevin Barney as General SS President when we need him? When we staffed a new Ward, our bishop said the order of priority was (1) RS President, (2) Scoutmaster and (3) GD Teacher (to keep the people out of the halls). Worked pretty well.

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By: Clark Goble https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/12/sunday-school-2-0-sort-of/#comment-539859 Tue, 06 Dec 2016 22:55:16 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=36050#comment-539859 It would be helpful if resources like these were linked to for each section. Maybe on the sidebar or at the bottom of the section.

If I really want to dream big the Church could slowly redo all those useless footnotes and make them useful linking to new resources. Heck, take a few BYU professors looking for a mission and put them on the task.

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By: Sunday School President https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/12/sunday-school-2-0-sort-of/#comment-539856 Tue, 06 Dec 2016 21:15:00 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=36050#comment-539856 I’ve been poking around the online (LDS.org and Gospel Library iOS app), and I see no indication of any linking between the lessons and these other resources. Maybe I’m just not looking at the right lessons…or maybe they haven’t been updated yet? Surely the First Vision lesson should have some links, right?

If you read the “Helps for the Teacher” chapter in the online GD manual, it still lists the out-of-date Teaching No Greater Call and does not list Revelations in Context or the essays. And if you download the PDF of the manual, you’re going to get the old print copy.

The newsroom article indicates that there should be links, but the newsroom doesn’t seem like a very good way of reaching GD instructors. Or really any normal members of the Church. It feels to me like the SLTrib article has made this out to be more than it is (for the simple reason that we all want this to be about more than a few buried links that may or may not exist in a resource many of the teachers aren’t going to use anyway).

As for me and my Sunday School, we’re going to incorporate RiC and the Essays as fully as possible in our curriculum since the Church leadership doesn’t seem to have any idea what they want to have happen. This will take some ponderizing for sure.

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By: Dave Banack https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/12/sunday-school-2-0-sort-of/#comment-539855 Tue, 06 Dec 2016 19:51:55 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=36050#comment-539855 SSP, it is indeed a little unclear. My sense is that the online versions of lessons for the current manual contain a few links to relevant material in the essays and possibly to the Rev in Context essays as well. You can (apparently) order hard copies of the Rev in Context essays (see the link in my earlier comment) and just hand those to you Gospel Doctrine teachers to use as supplementary material. No hard copy version of the essays is presently available. You can either print them yourself and hand them out or just email links to the teachers.

It will be interesting to track feedback from teachers and class members as teachers begin to (rather haphazardly) incorporate material from the essays and Rev in Context into lessons this year. I imagine some classes are going to feature some pointed comments and discussions not seen in earlier lesson cycles.

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By: Sunday School President https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/12/sunday-school-2-0-sort-of/#comment-539852 Tue, 06 Dec 2016 16:17:07 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=36050#comment-539852 I’m super confused–I see the Revelations in Context materials and the Gospel Topics Essays, buy I’m unclear on how the church us connecting these to the D&C lessons. Have they added links in the online version of the manual? If so can someone give me an example? How are my teachers going to know when to look outside the manual?

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By: Clark Goble https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/12/sunday-school-2-0-sort-of/#comment-539842 Mon, 05 Dec 2016 17:51:55 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=36050#comment-539842 I’m not sure it’s a either/or situation. However I think teachers do need to be aware of the range of familiarity with these issues. Also the emphasis shouldn’t be on the structures but the message. That is scripture was written to do something. If we miss that function we’re missing the forest for the trees.

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By: ji https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/12/sunday-school-2-0-sort-of/#comment-539841 Mon, 05 Dec 2016 17:13:35 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=36050#comment-539841 Cameron N.,

Thanks for your thoughts. I always want to be supportive. However, if you’re right, then there never be any “study” in our church settings — all three hours will be faith-promoting personal stories on a short list of approved topics. No need for a teacher, just a facilitator. To me, that is sad. I love to read and discuss the scriptures. As a people, we’re better when we understand what the scriptures actually say.

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By: Cameron N. https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/12/sunday-school-2-0-sort-of/#comment-539840 Sun, 04 Dec 2016 04:29:37 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=36050#comment-539840 Before we left San Diego our stake and ward along with a few others from different areas across the world were part of a pilot program for a new teaching paradigm, similar to ‘Come Follow Me’ the youth have been doing. The new curriculum/framework/manuals (whatever you want to call it) is very minimal like come follow me, but also quite expansive, covering basically all instruction from the entire primary to youth to relief society and priesthood quorums. Almost everyone who participated absolutely loved it. The Teachers’ councils are just the small tip of the iceberg. I suspect (and very much hope) that it will be rolled out in 2018 following the Gordon B. Hinckley manual in 2017. Some critics will still complain, but after having participated for 6 months, it is a huge improvement for many reasons.

Meaningful highlights:

1) Synergy between home and church
It proactively promotes and organizes a meaningful synergy between gospel learning in the home and at church.
The framework has families study the topic for FHE, live and ponder during the week, allow time for spiritual experiences, and then on Sunday classes, everyone is prepared to share meaningful stuff. You don’t have to hire a P.I. to find out what your kid’s primary lesson was on, because you already know!

2) Synergy across callings and responsibilities
Preparing an FHE lesson allows for some good experimentation within your own family. This helps jump start lesson preparation for busy primary, sunday school, and other teachers, and also allows for course correction following the FHE lesson as needed.

I know many will be appalled at the lack of intellectual rigor, but focus on practice and experiences I feel is the best focus for a public church setting. I love both, but I personally feel that “by study” is best for more intimate settings or with a shared interest group, whereas “by faith,” aka practical application in real life, is best for church settings where we need to mourn with and strengthen each other for another week.

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By: Dave Banack https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/12/sunday-school-2-0-sort-of/#comment-539839 Sun, 04 Dec 2016 00:07:07 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=36050#comment-539839 Update: the day after this posted, the Newsroom posted about the Revelations in Context book or booklet and highlighted the site that also makes that material available. The post says there are links to the RiC material incorporated into the online manual as well. Nothing on the front page at LDS dot org, however.

http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-releases-historical-background-doctrine-and-covenants

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By: Clark Goble https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/12/sunday-school-2-0-sort-of/#comment-539838 Fri, 02 Dec 2016 17:44:54 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=36050#comment-539838 I don’t think “infantilized” is appropriate. However they were simplified as in many wards relatively recent converts (less than 10 years) outnumber established members. Further even among established members it’s surprising how many are ignorant of their own faith. Part of the reason Pres. Benson changed the curriculum was as part of his emphasis of the Book of Mormon. Shockingly many members were fairly ignorant of the basics of the Book of Mormon. Say what one will, but in the 25 years since I think people have learned more about their scriptures than they did in the past. I just worry that this focus has left people a tad too ignorant on topics still.

But at a certain point one has to study on ones own. It’s not like the information isn’t out there. LDS.org is a huge resource that’s extremely helpful to people if they use it.

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