Comments on: Guest Post: Elder Bednar in Rwanda https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/09/guest-post-elder-bednar-in-rwanda/ Truth Will Prevail Sun, 05 Aug 2018 23:56:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.8 By: esodhiambo https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/09/guest-post-elder-bednar-in-rwanda/#comment-538916 Thu, 15 Sep 2016 12:55:19 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=35704#comment-538916 When Bednar said that English could provide a “strong and solid foundation” for the Church in Rwanda and prevent fracturing, I don’t think he is actually talking about lingual fractions; it seems you all are thinking of units that operate in x, y, and z local languages and cultures. When the Church materials are only available in a colonial or foreign language, that ensures that the early converts, and likely leaders, are both educated and established. They will likely have jobs, and perhaps transportation. They will be the kind of people who the Church trusts to take on heavy and influential callings. Unlike the kind of people who may have a less worldly formal education. Or who may only be able to attend Church once a month or so because they live outside the city and travel in for meetings. I think the foundation they are building is not linguistic, but one of class.

I am not defending it, it just seems to be the philosophy of expansion in the modern church.

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By: Brad L https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/09/guest-post-elder-bednar-in-rwanda/#comment-538847 Tue, 13 Sep 2016 03:54:08 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=35704#comment-538847 I should say, the linguistic homogeneity (and exclude the ethnic- prefix) of Rwanda, since Rwanda had been deeply polarized along ethnic Tutsi and Hutu lines for decades prior. Yet the Hutus and Tutsis both spoke Kinyarwanda.

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By: Brad L https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/09/guest-post-elder-bednar-in-rwanda/#comment-538846 Tue, 13 Sep 2016 03:51:18 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=35704#comment-538846 “He announced that the translation of the Book of Mormon into Kinyarwanda has begun but that it is a careful, long process that will take some time yet. He then reminded listeners that the official language of the church in Rwanda is English. Throughout Africa, he explained, the church is deeply concerned that the church could become “fractured.” The directive to hold meetings in English will allow, he suggested, a “strong and solid foundation.” Things will be easier in a generation, he acknowledged, but we must be loving in the meantime.”

I’m scratching my head here. There are already complete translations of the Book of Mormon into Fante, Shona, Swahili, Amharic, Ibo, Xhosa, Zulu, Tswana, Lingala, Twi, and Yoruba, and partial translations into Efik and Kisii. Plus, as mentioned before, the overwhelming majority (over 90 percent) of Rwandans speak Kinyarwanda as a first language and conflict along ethnolinguistic lines is highly unlikely to emerge there. Did Elder Bednar not fully understand the ethnolinguistic homogeneity of Rwanda?

Also, a question to anyone who might know. Are LDS church meetings in Ghana and Nigeria held in English? Are they held in French in the DRC? I’m assuming that that is the policy in those countries because of ethnolinguistic diversity and that Elder Bednar was assuming that a like standard should be applied to Rwanda. Also, about Ethiopia, where English and French never really gained widespread usage?

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By: Kirsten https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/09/guest-post-elder-bednar-in-rwanda/#comment-538842 Sun, 11 Sep 2016 23:02:11 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=35704#comment-538842 Joel and Keepapitchinin: Those two questions definitely stood out to me, too. It is hard to know that investigators and members alike desire more materials in their language and do not have that understandable desire met because it is not part of the overall vision. Elder Hamilton asked the members to have patience and look forward a generation or two to an all English-speaking church. That perhaps some members would like to look forward to an all-Kinyarwanda-speaking church is apparently not part of the discussion.

The need for linguistic unity makes some sense in a country like Rwanda’s northern neighbor Uganda, which, in addition to English, Swahili and Ugandan Sign Language, has a staggering 42 indigenous languages from four different language families.

But Rwanda is different, and a rarity in Africa, with over 90% of Rwandans speaking the same language, Kinyarwanda. Unity would be possible for the Rwandan members of the church in Kinyarwanda, it would seem. But it appears that the church is thinking of linguistic unity on continental rather than national terms. In fact, Rwanda is part of the Uganda mission, along with Ethiopia. And Rwandan saints need to travel to South Africa, Ghana or Nigeria to attend the temple.

Interestingly, the Kigali branch meetings are currently held in both English and Kinyarwanda. Members are asked to give their talks in English (sometimes perfectly, others almost unintelligibly, depending on their proficiency level), and another member, usually a returned missionary who served in an English-speaking mission, translates. Accommodating members and visitors who don’t speak English well or at all by offering the meeting in both languages seems an important compromise in these still early years of the church there.

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By: keepapitchinin https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/09/guest-post-elder-bednar-in-rwanda/#comment-538841 Sun, 11 Sep 2016 22:01:51 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=35704#comment-538841 I’m struck by the “children and grandchildren” promise. We’ve seen it happen before, despite how unlikely it has seemed at one time. Maybe those children and grandchildren will hear the gospel in their own languages.

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By: Joel https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/09/guest-post-elder-bednar-in-rwanda/#comment-538840 Sun, 11 Sep 2016 21:49:51 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=35704#comment-538840 Thank you. It was interesting to hear about the types of questions that Elder Bednar was asked. It seems like a lot of the concerns center around the types of issues that members face where there is a lot of competition among Evangelical Christian denominations for members. So you have the question about Saturday vs. Sunday, the other prophetic figure, being called an anti-Christ, and being an apostle.

The two questions that really stuck out to me were about language and about worshiping according to local culture and traditions. And the response to both was basically the same: correlation. The church is focused on consistency, building from centers of strength, and avoiding fragmentation. I can see why, from an institutional perspective, the church chooses this approach. But it also stifles individual spirituality and makes it more difficult for families to pass on their local languages and cultures, traditions that have been passed down for hundreds of years. Instead, you rely on some 19 year old from Utah to tell you how to connect with God. The church is just a small piece in this process, but the cumulative impact from Christianity on local traditions and practices and cultures is devastating.

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By: Kirsten Christensen https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/09/guest-post-elder-bednar-in-rwanda/#comment-538839 Sat, 10 Sep 2016 23:53:01 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=35704#comment-538839 True Blue: this was definitely a much smaller affair then the Australia event you describe. The questions, as you can probably tell from my write-up, we’re definitely not scripted. Elder Bednar responded to all of them thoughtfully, but also directly and succinctly, as is his usual style.

I was surprised that there was no formal opportunity to greet Elder Bednar afterwards, especially given the relatively small number of people in attendance and the great rarity of an apostle in Rwanda. A few listeners did go up to speak to him, but most just left. I’m sure if he had invited them to come shake his hand, most would have.

I was told that he was only in the country for about 5 hours, so he might have had a plane to catch.

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By: Kirsten Christensen https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/09/guest-post-elder-bednar-in-rwanda/#comment-538838 Sat, 10 Sep 2016 23:43:08 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=35704#comment-538838 Amira: I couldn’t agree more about the complexities of the language issue. It is clear that it simplifies things institutionally, but, as you say, it also makes activity very difficult, not to mention makes outreach to or conversion nearly impossible for vast swaths of the population.

And then there’s the issue of the missionaries not having the opportunity to approach these people on their own linguistic foundation. Any of us who had to learn a language for our missions know that some of the most profound and humbling experiences we had were a direct result of not knowing enough to do what we were asked to do and thus having to rely on the Lord and others in ways we never do in our mother tongue. Not to mention the fact that the missionaries are denied the chance to learn the beauties of another language and what that can teach us about approaching God and one another.

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By: True Blue https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/09/guest-post-elder-bednar-in-rwanda/#comment-538837 Sat, 10 Sep 2016 11:21:12 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=35704#comment-538837 Elder Bedinar did a similar performance last time he was in Australia. He was in Sydney, and it was televised to the whole east coast. We were invited to send in questions, but all the questions answered were from people in the room, and appeared to br vetted as none were difficult. Almost a set of dorothy dixers.
I came away with the impression that it was an easy way to spend 90 minutes, with out having to do any preparation, and appear to be consulting with the members, but only those who don’t ask difficult questions. And he the Apostle contributed very little, though 60 or 70 thousand members, made an effort to hear an Apostle.

For those members who see GAs regularly, this was as close to an Apostle as I have been since our temple was open 13 years ago. It was promoted as come listen to a Prophets voice, it was a big disapointment.

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By: Amira https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/09/guest-post-elder-bednar-in-rwanda/#comment-538836 Sat, 10 Sep 2016 05:58:41 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=35704#comment-538836 Thank you. This was very interesting to read.

I understand why English is the official language in many wards and branches in different parts of Africa (and other parts of the world) and see some major institutional benefits to that policy, but it is so hard to stay active when you’re not able to use your native language to worship. It is far more difficult to learn another language fluently than many US Mormons realize, and even then it might not be the language of your heart.

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By: JOE2 https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/09/guest-post-elder-bednar-in-rwanda/#comment-538835 Sat, 10 Sep 2016 05:41:28 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=35704#comment-538835 I enjoyed that, thank you.

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By: Martin https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/09/guest-post-elder-bednar-in-rwanda/#comment-538834 Fri, 09 Sep 2016 22:31:11 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=35704#comment-538834 I looked up William Branham on Wikipedia, and it sounds like Branhamism has a bit of a following in the Congo (perhaps 25,000 people).

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