Comments on: Sacrament Prayers: A Close Reading https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/08/sacrament-prayers-a-close-reading/ Truth Will Prevail Sun, 05 Aug 2018 23:56:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.8 By: Anne W https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/08/sacrament-prayers-a-close-reading/#comment-538815 Sun, 04 Sep 2016 15:45:56 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=35657#comment-538815 Thank you for this. I love the connection to the communal-ness of the sacrament. It reminds me of the command in 3 Nephi 18 that we “meet together oft.” It helps me appreciate that some activities must be done by the community of Christ’s followers.

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By: Daniel Ortner https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/08/sacrament-prayers-a-close-reading/#comment-538775 Tue, 30 Aug 2016 11:57:39 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=35657#comment-538775 This is a great post. I love the observation that it is ultimately God that blessed the sacrament. I understand that the whole congregation used to kneel while the priesthood holders would say the sacramental prayer. That better shows the symbolism of the priesthood holder standing as proxy for the whole congregation.

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By: lastlemming https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/08/sacrament-prayers-a-close-reading/#comment-538774 Mon, 29 Aug 2016 20:18:50 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=35657#comment-538774 Just want to second MH’s observation about “you and each of you.” I had not ignored that, but I have ignored the plural in the sacrament prayers, which means I have some rethinking to do.

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By: Clark Goble https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/08/sacrament-prayers-a-close-reading/#comment-538773 Mon, 29 Aug 2016 19:47:48 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=35657#comment-538773 LOL. Thanks, MH. I did not know that. In either case even if the etymology doesn’t work the function does phenomenologically. That is to remember is to bring the parts back before myself in consciousness so I’m aware of them. So for Heidegger the notion of the Fuge matters a great deal in terms of the joints or joining keeping it functioning and keeping it from falling apart.

So I was actually thinking of a lot of Heidegger and Ricouer here. But got trapped in the mythology of etymology. But if the origin is “memorai” or mindfulness then would the “re” prefix be a bringing back to mind?

Interesting looking at a Hebrew theological dictionary, the Hebrew for remember has a root of zkr which means to mention or make known. So that does get better at the notion that in the sacrament as we remember him we’re simultaneously making that known. So it’s a kind of presence.

Fundamentally what I am after is re-member as re-constitute. So even if the body part of the etymology is off, I think that still functions. Ricouer uses the idea in a few places (although he’d be speaking French) of as we remember or re-constitute we also re-shape it. For example in forgiving as we remember the original traumatic events through forgiveness that remembering reshapes them so as to change their significance.

What I’m more or less saying is that when we come together and remember we’re remaking that body of Christ. It’s repeated as a continual act of creation or re-creation that makes the body a live one.

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By: MH https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/08/sacrament-prayers-a-close-reading/#comment-538772 Mon, 29 Aug 2016 19:07:30 +0000 http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=35657#comment-538772 “Now I admit there’s a danger here of too much wordplay.”

Sadly, this is an accurate assessment; though evocative it is, the “re-member” interpretation of the word is based on a folk etymology. While the word “member” descends from Latin “membrum,” the word “remember” comes from Latin “memorari,” meaning “to be mindful.” The b gets inserted in Old French.

I love how you’ve brought out the communal nature of the sacrament, though; it’s something we ignore amid talk of remission of (personal) sins, and something I hadn’t explored sufficiently. Another place it’s ignored: if “you and each of you” in another ordinance isn’t simply redundancy for emphasis, the “each of you” addresses the individual in contradistinction to the (apparently plural!) “you.”

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