Comments on: International? Peripheries? Global? In search of a name https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/01/international-satellites-peripheries-global-in-search-of-a-name/ Truth Will Prevail Sun, 05 Aug 2018 23:56:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.8 By: (David) Brent Smith (Clifton, Virginia) https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/01/international-satellites-peripheries-global-in-search-of-a-name/#comment-536375 Fri, 12 Feb 2016 03:50:16 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=34717#comment-536375 Beyond this semantic discussion, valuable as it is, there is a linked issue that deserves attention. Rather than sitting on the sidelines lamenting perceived shortcomings of church hierarchy/bureaucracy specific engagements in the international arena (e.g. Wilfried’s view of Church History Department decentralization), there is—I submit—a compelling need for shared responsibility in today’s global church and for each of us to engage, contribute and seek to better connect to and include those on the peripheries. Note for example the engagement of Margaret Blair Young/Darius Gray in Africa; efforts by the Mormon Scholars Foundation to include international participants in their Summer Seminars and mentoring activities; individual LDS member efforts to spearhead humanitarian efforts in Nepal, Mozambique and elsewhere; and the proactive involvement of President Uchtdorf and others in shaping LDS positions on volatile immigration and refugee issues. I submit that many of us can step up efforts to proactively connect, mentor and in effect serve as “nursing fathers and nursing mothers” (as in 2 Nephi 10:9) in furthering the inclusion of Latter-day Saints on the peripheries.

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By: Wilfried https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/01/international-satellites-peripheries-global-in-search-of-a-name/#comment-536277 Thu, 04 Feb 2016 12:03:07 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=34717#comment-536277 Thanks, David Brent Smith, for your comment (30). You bring up the related topic of “core” versus “diversity” or of “diverse cultures” within global Mormonism, which is part of our search for an adequate term to define the “diversity” — because a core is still a center and what builds around is still periphery.

To address the specific issue you bring up. Since the 1970s a number of Americans have pleaded to define “Mormon core doctrine” or “the essentials of the gospel”, around which national or regional mormonisms could then develop. Or a core around which “more individual expressions of faith” would be permissible. I’m afraid it’s wishful thinking, and, moreover, not desirable. Our strong correlated, monolithic church requires a universal, handbook-driven and top-down “gospel culture”. Elder Oaks gave several talks in which he insisted on this identical gospel culture around the world. When the church allows “local cultural expressions” it is limited to folklore on “cultural presentations” for the amusement of American visitors. Not even local music is allowed in a church meeting. Also, it is an illusion to think that any national or regional Mormonism could develop, and it is also undesirable, because (1) such an idea is based on stereotyped representation of nations and regions, and (2) our wards, all over the world, are already very multicultural and multiracial. See my article on this topic here.

You mention as positive developments “Mormon Pioneers in Every Land, and the decentralization by the Church History Department of the collection, preservation and sharing of church history back to local areas”. That is true, but – sorry to be critical – the efforts to identify pioneers and preserve their history, as well as to preserve documents, are, as far as I have seen, incoherent and irregular, depending on temporary goodwill and on attention by local leaders (and it is usually the least of their concerns). Not to speak of the lack of proper facilities and professional management to preserve such history. Plus, all this only concerns the past and has no effect whatsoever on diversity in the present.

Back to our topic: “diaspora” is a nice term, but it tends to reflect only the geographical movement (who went from where to where) and does not cover well the internal social varieties, nor does it reflect the world of the converts nor of the second and third generations who never moved to another place. I continue to opt for “peripheries” as general term, with supplemental terms for specific areas and realms.

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By: (David) Brent Smith (Clifton, Virginia) https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/01/international-satellites-peripheries-global-in-search-of-a-name/#comment-536267 Thu, 04 Feb 2016 04:05:11 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=34717#comment-536267 I fortuitously came upon the Decoo post and comments this evening. Given experiences I’ve had, I particularly resonate with the terms “realm” and diaspora” as suggested in the comments. Mormonism was from its beginnings intended to be global with its initial forays into much of the world in the 1840s and 1850s, and with Joseph Smith indeed famously declaring that “the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear (etc.) ….”(H of C 4:540). Relocated to and incubated in the Mountain West, it has reemerged with an increasing and unmistakably more permanent global presence, leading to the need to identify appropriate terminology with regard to what is transpiring, as addressed by Decoo, van Beek, Inoyue and others. The gospel is universal; a gospel culture not yet so, given parochialisms. Thankfully, there is determined progress in adopting a more global outlook, as witnessed, for example, in the welcome pronouncements of President Uchtdorf, the recognition of Mormon Pioneers in Every Land, and the decentralization by the Church History Department of the collection, preservation and sharing of church history back to local areas. Professor Jehu Hanciles, Tanner Lecturer at the Mormon History Association 2014 Conference in San Antonio, in addressing the challenges of Mormonism to adapt in its increasingly international setting, stated that “faithfulness to core doctrine need not come at the expense of authentic representation or diversity of expression.” (see his address in Journal of Mormon History, Vol. 41:2) Implicit in his formulation, I submit, is the need to recognize and indeed respect diverse cultures within Mormonism.

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By: Wilfried https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/01/international-satellites-peripheries-global-in-search-of-a-name/#comment-536241 Wed, 03 Feb 2016 15:10:33 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=34717#comment-536241 Thanks all for latest comments, Cameron, ji, Kruiser, eastern Mormon. Yes, John Paul II was the first non-Italian in five centuries. Even today, after so many centuries, the Roman Catholic church hasn’t lost its sensitivity to the difference between “an Italian” pope and a non-Italian one, though the days of Italian popes are becoming rare, thanks to the number of non-Italian cardinals and the policy to move into emeritus state the older cardinals, many of whom are Italians.

But the difference Catholics make between ultramontanists and non-ultramontanists remains alive inasmuch as ultramontanism is now less a geographical concept but all the more an ideological one. Rome’s Curia is strong and conservative, and even a more liberal pope cannot do much about it. The Polish catholic church is conservative, the Dutch liberal, and so on. So Catholics too have their peripheries, in much more diverse formats than Mormons do. What time will bring is difficult to foresee. In its relation to peripheries, the Catholic church opened the doors to more freedom and diversity at the time of Vatican II, and in that same time frame the Mormon church moved to correlation. The exact opposite direction. It explains the vast differences in the field between Catholics and Mormons around the world. Any Mormon knows what to expect on Sunday in any ward in any country. A Catholic traveler will be in for some surprises.

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By: eastern Mormon https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/01/international-satellites-peripheries-global-in-search-of-a-name/#comment-536218 Tue, 02 Feb 2016 20:43:10 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=34717#comment-536218 Wait, don’t finish this conversation! So interesting! Even though I am not as informed on many topics as many of you scholarly types, it is my understanding that John Paul II was the first non-Italian Pope in a couple centuries, and this seems to be relevant in the discussion about “Italian” culture-Catholicism.

I am more informed about Russian Orthodoxy, which is still Orthodox but definitely has its own cultural flavor, compared to Greek Orthodox, for example.

I like diaspora (there we go, using a Greek word to describe the Jews again) but see the problems there. Maybe we should standardize church properties to include a soccer field (basketball in Australia?!!). Went to church in Australia and NZ in 95, and loved our experiences, in Auckland it as tough to find an English speaking ward, which we loved. Periphery could also be a good choice.

I wish there was significantly more flexibility in the music department; so many beautiful traditions that are non-Western. Can someone write an Indian hymn?

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By: Kruiser https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/01/international-satellites-peripheries-global-in-search-of-a-name/#comment-536193 Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:59:11 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=34717#comment-536193 Yes, yes #26. That is good. Diaspora was what I was going to suggest a few days ago. I am from Pennsylvania and I know what you mean. Yes #21. I now live in that category between 2 & 3.

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By: ji https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/01/international-satellites-peripheries-global-in-search-of-a-name/#comment-536192 Fri, 29 Jan 2016 14:55:00 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=34717#comment-536192 It is already somewhat common to speak of the diaspora as the spread of people from the center place (Utah) to other U.S. states and those persons (1) seemingly always being chosen for “leadership” positions by dignitaries from the center place or by other locals also part of the diaspora; and (2) always having a perpetual connection (longing for, pining for, this is how we did it there, loyalty there, vacations there, colege for kids there, and eventual return there) to the center place. For example, the saints in any stake in Pennsylvania, for example, can be divided into the locals and the diaspora.

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By: Cameron N. https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/01/international-satellites-peripheries-global-in-search-of-a-name/#comment-536191 Fri, 29 Jan 2016 07:35:23 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=34717#comment-536191 Agreed Wilfried. #7 works very well too, but it is #7…

“the spread or dissemination of something originally confined to a local, homogeneous group, as a language or cultural institution”

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By: Wilfried https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/01/international-satellites-peripheries-global-in-search-of-a-name/#comment-536190 Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:08:39 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=34717#comment-536190 Nice suggestion, Cameron (23). Thanks! According to the dictionary reference you link to, one definition of “diaspora” is indeed “any religious group living as a minority among people of the prevailing religion.” Good!

It could work, were it not that in mormonspeak “Diaspora” (capitalized) is already so much tied to “the settling of scattered colonies of Jews outside Palestine after the Babylonian exile”. Generalizing from that prime connotation, Merriam-Webster extends “diaspora” (not capitalized) to
a) the movement, migration, or scattering of a people away from an established or ancestral homeland b) people settled far from their ancestral homelands.

As a matter of fact, “diaspora” has been used in that context for the “Mormon outmigration” from Utah to other parts of the U.S. See Johnson, G. Wesley; Johnson, Marian Ashby, “On the trail of the twentieth-century Mormon outmigration”, BYU Studies 46, no. 1 (2007) 41-83.

So, because “exile” and “moving away” is already so much part of the Mormon connotation of “diaspora”, I think the term may not square well with most Mormon peripheries where converts were baptized and remained in their homeland. ]]> By: Cameron N. https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/01/international-satellites-peripheries-global-in-search-of-a-name/#comment-536189 Thu, 28 Jan 2016 02:34:14 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=34717#comment-536189 How about ‘Diaspora’?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/diaspora

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By: Wilfried https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/01/international-satellites-peripheries-global-in-search-of-a-name/#comment-536185 Tue, 26 Jan 2016 09:15:39 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=34717#comment-536185 I need to correct myself. Introducing subdivisions, as Walter suggests, is useful, but we still need a hyperonym to identify all that does not belong to the center or what Walter calls the first area. So we cannot abandon the dichotomy as such, which I suggested in comment 20. Considering all the preceding (with also thanks to the latest comments), the best word still seems “peripheries”, with the arguments I mentioned in my post. Within the peripheries we can discern further repartitions according to topics and needs.

A belated thanks to Tim (21) for adding his nuances to the discussion. Indeed, geography “outside the US” will not suffice to make appropriate distinctions. Samoa, Tonga, and parts of Canada are already “cas à part”.

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By: Tim Jones https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/01/international-satellites-peripheries-global-in-search-of-a-name/#comment-536182 Mon, 25 Jan 2016 02:42:04 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=34717#comment-536182 Living in Boise (two temples and yet not quite within the Mormon Corridor) or San Diego is a world away from living in, say, Cincinnati (no temple, not very many members). Perhaps a “Western U.S.” category between 2 and 3… Of course, you also have Samoa and Tonga, where Mormons are 20-35% of the population, plus LDS outposts in Canada and possibly elsewhere.

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By: Wilfried https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/01/international-satellites-peripheries-global-in-search-of-a-name/#comment-536178 Sun, 24 Jan 2016 21:11:50 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=34717#comment-536178 Building on Alison’s and Christian’s comments, I would suggest to look at Walter’s repartition as geo-independent. Instead of “country”, rather “area” or “realm”. For example, a “Wasatch Front realm” (or any other appropriate word) or a “denomination realm” could apply to other areas in the US or abroad. In Belgium, we’re still in the “sect realm”, perhaps even “cult realm” since the church is on the Belgian parliamentary list of potential harmful cults.

But already abandoning the dichotomy seems like an important step. Thanks, Walter!

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By: christiankimball https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/01/international-satellites-peripheries-global-in-search-of-a-name/#comment-536177 Sun, 24 Jan 2016 20:53:46 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=34717#comment-536177 Walter van Beek’s numerical classification invites further subdivision and Alison Moore Smith’s close relative reminds me of one to nominate. A couple of times I have lived in areas outside of regions 1 and 2, where for reasons of history and geography and coincidence there was a concentration of Mormons in a relatively small area. My experiences are typified by one or more fully complemented LDS Wards in a town or region of 20,000 to 30,000 people. A Mormon family across the street, a church within walking distance, a presence in the local schools that made a difference in scheduling. Non-Mormon neighbors who could tell you the name and personality of the town’s current Mormon Bishop. A 2.5 perhaps?

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By: Alison Moore Smith https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2016/01/international-satellites-peripheries-global-in-search-of-a-name/#comment-536176 Sun, 24 Jan 2016 20:15:01 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=34717#comment-536176 P.S. A close relative claims he lives in the “mission field.” True, he does not live in Utah nor in a state adjacent to Utah. He does, however, live in a neighborhood with multiple other Mormons, has a church within walking distance, a temple in the same city, and…wait for it…released time seminary for his kids in a special seminary building near the school. Whatever designations you want to apply to that, I don’t think “mission field” fits very well.

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