Comments on: Beatus Vir https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/12/beatus-vir/ Truth Will Prevail Sun, 05 Aug 2018 23:56:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.8 By: Mildred Budny https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/12/beatus-vir/#comment-535702 Wed, 23 Dec 2015 04:13:20 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=34448#comment-535702 This post encourages reflections. Thank you, Jesse, for telling me about it. It makes me think, in good ways.

While researching for my Ph.D. years ago, I first had the chance — and often — to examine some medieval manuscripts of the Psalter which contain wondrously beautiful images of the Beatus Vir himself, in many vibrant forms. You remind me of their severally sonorous expressions.

For example, the chance to see the 8th-century Corbie Psalter (your reference links directly to it: http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8452190t/f10.item) and to turn its pages remains wholly memorable. The beauty, creativity, and vivacity of its decorated initials continue to inspire.

As a bonus, perhaps you would agree, was the amazing, serendipitous opportunity to examine the book, by choice of the library staff, at a table in the main reading room at which also sat the youngsters exclaiming over their reading of issues of ‘Asterix’ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asterix“).

The continuity over generations is powerfully resonant, and sometimes palpably visible at a single gathering in our presence, in our lifetime. It is remarkable how looking at the books can focus attention upon the texts, and the telling, that they mean to convey across the ages.

Your post and the responses to it give nourishing food for thought. Thank you, indeed.

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By: Beth https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/12/beatus-vir/#comment-535526 Mon, 07 Dec 2015 06:34:48 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=34448#comment-535526 I liked John Welch’s piece as well as this one. jader3rd, please keep in mind that it was a step toward broadening Mormon vistas that Welch got a piece about medieval Catholic stained glass and Early Church Fathers published in the Ensign at all. And it was the Good Samaritan, not the prodigal son.

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By: JoeR https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/12/beatus-vir/#comment-535517 Mon, 07 Dec 2015 03:56:31 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=34448#comment-535517 If I remember correctly, John Welch’s article was not based only on a stained glass window, but also on actual interpretations by Church Fathers. That article was actually quite similar to this one (which I enjoyed quite a bit: thank you for it). IIRC.

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By: Jesse Hurlbut https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/12/beatus-vir/#comment-535516 Mon, 07 Dec 2015 00:32:10 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=34448#comment-535516 Thanks, jader3rd, you’ve reminded me that Richard G. Scott taught that revelation compounds upon revelation. In his Fall 2009 General Conference talk, he shared the experience of receiving inspiration and then prayerfully asking, “was there yet more to be given?”

Meanwhile, more about stained glass in another post some day.

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By: jader3rd https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/12/beatus-vir/#comment-535500 Sun, 06 Dec 2015 19:25:20 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=34448#comment-535500 Love the post. I find it quite believable/probable that Lehi was given a dream in a structure he was familiar with.
I like it a lot more than John W. Welch’s article in the Feb 2007 Ensign where he wrote about how the Prodigal Son is really a story about the plan of salvation, because he saw a stained glass window where the artist had used two stories which have a three act structure to create three scenes from each story.

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By: Carine https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/12/beatus-vir/#comment-535432 Sat, 05 Dec 2015 08:36:34 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=34448#comment-535432 Lovely, Jesse. Thanks for sharing.
Bien à toi!

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By: Jesse Hurlbut https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/12/beatus-vir/#comment-535430 Sat, 05 Dec 2015 06:08:15 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=34448#comment-535430 ‘Your food,’ it is clear that Bernard did not shy away from expressing himself in the form of rhetorically rich textual meditation and praise. I believe, however, that all the musical settings for his words are much later compositions.

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By: your food allergy is fake https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/12/beatus-vir/#comment-535426 Fri, 04 Dec 2015 17:40:09 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=34448#comment-535426 #4: “Saint Bernard of Clairvaux, worried that outward displays of visual delights so easily distract us from the inner accomplishments of the soul.”

But apparently he was less concerned about distraction caused by the aural delights of song, as wasn’t he author of several hymns? Or at least the poetry associated with those hymns?

Just as good art should have more place in our worship, so should good music. Sadly I believe the Mormon musical tradition has been atrophying for some time.

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By: Jesse Hurlbut https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/12/beatus-vir/#comment-535425 Fri, 04 Dec 2015 15:55:27 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=34448#comment-535425 Thanks, James. Your recent reflection on Lehi’s dream reminds us that his vision of light and hope emerges from a vast canvas of darkness. The implication of my piece is that his vision may not be cut from whole cloth. We might even extend the consideration of whether the author of Psalm 1 drew inspiration for the image of the tree by a river from some previous revelation. Lehi’s tree may have deep roots indeed.

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By: James Olsen https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/12/beatus-vir/#comment-535424 Fri, 04 Dec 2015 14:34:09 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=34448#comment-535424 Ah, and I thought Lancelot succumbed to the mortal dangers of the Perilous Bed — I should look at the older tellings ;)

Jesse, really enjoyed this. And love the serendipity of its coming just as I’ve started into I Ne 8 in my Reading Nephi series.

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By: Jesse Hurlbut https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/12/beatus-vir/#comment-535421 Fri, 04 Dec 2015 04:01:59 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=34448#comment-535421 Thanks for your responses! Dave, the association you make with Lord of the Rings is not too far off, given that Tolkien was a medievalist himself. Of course, the text here is Biblical, but there are many adventure stories in the middle ages that incorporate objects that have become named mythic adventures of their own. For example, Lancelot narrowly escapes the mortal dangers of the Perilous Bed in his original adventure story.

The presence of art in worship has long been a matter of thought and discussion. In the twelfth century, while Abbot Suger was promoting the use of art and beauty to guide the soul on an upward spiritual path, his contemporary, Saint Bernard of Clairvaux, worried that outward displays of visual delights so easily distract us from the inner accomplishments of the soul. The debate long predates these two historical thinkers.

All I know for sure is that Arnold Friberg and Charlton Heston have irreparably influenced the way I read certain passages of scripture.

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By: Dave https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/12/beatus-vir/#comment-535420 Fri, 04 Dec 2015 02:26:13 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=34448#comment-535420 A fascinating discussion, Jesse. I like “the chair of pestilence.” For some reason it makes me think of Saruman sitting on his throne chair and his forced offer to Gandalf of the “way of pain.”

Images and art plays such a subdued role in LDS worship, apart from maybe the temple mural tradition. Our scriptures are not illuminated, our chapels are quite sparse, the art hung in hallways and classrooms comes straight from the distribution center catalog. It seems like we could learn a thing or two from other traditions.

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By: Craig H. https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/12/beatus-vir/#comment-535418 Fri, 04 Dec 2015 00:30:08 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=34448#comment-535418 Thanks a lot Jesse, great images and commentary.

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By: Kevin Barney https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/12/beatus-vir/#comment-535417 Thu, 03 Dec 2015 22:04:28 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=34448#comment-535417 Fun post; thanks for sharing.

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