Comments on: It’s the End of the World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine) https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/09/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it-and-i-feel-fine/ Truth Will Prevail Sun, 05 Aug 2018 23:56:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.8 By: Cameron N. https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/09/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it-and-i-feel-fine/#comment-533942 Mon, 28 Sep 2015 19:35:15 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33933#comment-533942 Julie, what are your thoughts on Joseph Smith’s commentary on no one knowing? Didn’t he cite Amos 3:7? I’ll have to check.

]]> By: Stephen https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/09/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it-and-i-feel-fine/#comment-533908 Sun, 27 Sep 2015 06:07:26 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33933#comment-533908 After praying for wisdom I hope I have received, at least an inkling, of what I asked for. I do not worry about signs because many generations have passed while hundreds of thousands of Hierophant have led millions to believe that they knew the end of the world as it was known at the time. It seems to be fairly universal that they taught that non believers would be punished, and that the sycophants would elevated to some eternal reward either through reincarnation or become part of some omniscient being.
The problem with the eotwawki crew is generally that they think that they seem to think that they are in a position to judge who is fit and who is unfit. Since all of us see the world through dark glasses our judgments are poor and our understanding even more so. It takes a great deal of concentrated effort to see that the gold we seek is the souls of mankind and not the warehouse full of food storage, guns, and coins.

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]]> By: Pete https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/09/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it-and-i-feel-fine/#comment-533812 Thu, 24 Sep 2015 07:25:59 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33933#comment-533812 apparently those of us who are not Facebook subscribers will be left out in the dark when the Davior does come

]]> By: Terry H https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/09/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it-and-i-feel-fine/#comment-533801 Wed, 23 Sep 2015 21:29:05 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33933#comment-533801 Congratulations to Julie for the Ruth M. Stephens Prize for her article on Mark for Interpreter. One more reason to look forward to this BYUNTC volume on Mark. (As if any more were needed)

]]> By: FarSide https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/09/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it-and-i-feel-fine/#comment-533647 Fri, 18 Sep 2015 03:16:14 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33933#comment-533647 To paraphrase a popular aphorism about money spent on advertising: Half of what we have been told in church about the last days, the end of the world, and the millennium is probably wrong. The problem is—we don’t know which half.

]]> By: Clark Goble https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/09/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it-and-i-feel-fine/#comment-533646 Fri, 18 Sep 2015 02:40:13 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33933#comment-533646 I kind of like the typological approach to the last days, whenever it happens. The prophesy about the abomination of desolation originally probably referred to greeks sacrificing pigs in the temple. (Very blasphemous to Jews) but was fulfilled as Jesus’ prophesy with the initial destruction of the temple after the revolution by the various zealots and then later with the Bar Kochba revolution with the salting and tilling of Jerusalem and the creation of Aelia Capitoline where Jerusalem was remade into a full Roman city unrecognizable as the old Jerusalem. A temple to Jupiter (or according to Eusebius Aphrodite) then replaces the Jewish temple.

So the type of the abomination of desolation is both the conquering and destruction but more importantly the change of the temple into something blasphemous.

Now how to take this in the last days isn’t clear, especially with the divide between the Americas and Palestine. Likewise I tend to take a lot of the Book of Mormon as a type for our destruction in the last days. (Which to my eyes we still seem quite far away from given the unprecedented peace we are in) Also it seems clear from the prophecies in the Book of Mormon that we’ll have as a significant part of our destruction a destruction by the descendants of the pre-columbian inhabitants. Again something that still seems far of but that I worry we’re setting up with many of our views of immigrants.

]]> By: Jack https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/09/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it-and-i-feel-fine/#comment-533642 Thu, 17 Sep 2015 22:52:38 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33933#comment-533642 I love Nibley’s response to the Second Coming naysayers of yore: “Where are they now?”

Julie, the heavenly signs (falling stars, blood-red moon, darkened sun) are obvious allusions to the Fall and Atonement. Your chronology of events helps these particular symbols make sense in ways that I’ve never before considered. Cool.

Question: Could the Abomination of Desolation also refer to the trivializing of the Sacred by those who sought to imitate the apostles? It was then that the church was fractured and it’s “house was left desolate” of heavenly gifts.

]]> By: Sharee https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/09/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it-and-i-feel-fine/#comment-533641 Thu, 17 Sep 2015 22:02:12 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33933#comment-533641 Christ appeared in the Kirtland Temple numerous times, so that should have satisfied Joseph’s prophecy for his generation. And who knows how many times he may have appeared to others over the years. Everyone doesn’t talk about such spiritual experiences. Joseph was not, as someone said earlier, necessarily talking about THE second coming.

]]> By: Clark Goble https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/09/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it-and-i-feel-fine/#comment-533639 Thu, 17 Sep 2015 21:39:53 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33933#comment-533639 Why would we stop believing it? Even if we don’t emphasize going to Missouri it still seems a part of our religion.

There are of course always rumors. Back when the Church was going on a buying spree of property in that region (largely from 90 – 2005) via various shell companies. (So that people wouldn’t know the same people were buying up so much land, driving up prices) I don’t know if they are still trying to buy property in the region. And even at the time I doubted they were buying it up to fulfill prophecy. Of course why they were is unclear. (Well I suppose we got a quasi-Nauvoo styled temple out of it)

]]> By: scott roskelley https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/09/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it-and-i-feel-fine/#comment-533638 Thu, 17 Sep 2015 21:30:23 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33933#comment-533638 Does anyone know if we as a church believe in building the new jerusalem of ether 13 anymore? We heard a lot about it when Alvin Dyer was around, but not anymore. When Hinckley announced the conference center and applied Brigham Young’s prophecy of building a temple with groves and fish ponds in the roof, I was really disappointed. For me, a new jerusalem 24 temple city where the savior will return means a new university of research, net zero architectural wonder powered by nuclear fusion, where we solve immortality technology (like a google funded Calico) and produce strong AI consciousness entities (like Hassabis’ deep mind). BY’s quote, “We will have to go to work and get the gold out of the mountains to lay down, if we ever walk in streets paved with gold. The angels that now walk in their golden streets, and they have the tree of life within their paradise, had to obtain that gold and put it there. When we have streets paved with gold, we will have placed it there ourselves. When we enjoy a Zion in its beauty and glory, it will be when we have built it. If we enjoy the Zion that we now anticipate, it will be after we redeem and prepare it. If we live in the city of the New Jerusalem, it will be because we lay the foundation and build it. “

]]> By: Abu Casey https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/09/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it-and-i-feel-fine/#comment-533637 Thu, 17 Sep 2015 21:18:53 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33933#comment-533637 Nice. Thanks for this. I’m curious to go find out how Matthew and Luke tweak and re-interpret this.

]]> By: Kevin Barney https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/09/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it-and-i-feel-fine/#comment-533628 Thu, 17 Sep 2015 18:15:45 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33933#comment-533628 I love this. I’ve never been a big “signs of the times” guy, and now I can feel as though I’m not so very out of step after all!

]]> By: Eponymous https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/09/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it-and-i-feel-fine/#comment-533620 Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:22:17 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33933#comment-533620 Surely they’ll all be wailing it’s a “bad day” when the times don’t come. We’re dug in the deep the price is steep. The auctioneer is such a creep. The lights went out, the oil ran dry, we blamed it on the other guy. Sure, all men are created equal. Here’s the church, here’s the steeple. Please stay tuned–we cut to sequel ashes, ashes, we all fall down.

]]> By: Clark Goble https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/09/its-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it-and-i-feel-fine/#comment-533618 Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:04:54 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33933#comment-533618 Professor Harrell’s book, “This is My Doctrine,” contains a chapter on the second coming where he presents several quotes from modern-day prophets and apostles—starting with Joseph Smith through the present day—that all say essentially the same thing: “This generation shall not pass without seeing the Savior return.” Apart from their substance, all of these prophesies have something in common: they have all been wrong.

Aren’t most of them also careful about what they mean by that? I know the ones from Joseph are. That is they don’t necessarily mean the second coming. He added, “I was left thus, without being able to decide whether this coming referred to the beginning of the millennium or to some previous appearing, or whether I should die and thus see his face.”

I think most of these statements are a bit more ambiguous than you suggest. (Not having read all the quotes Harrell provides – just having gone through a lot of quotes in the past)

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