Comments on: Another View of the Seer Stone https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/08/another-view-of-the-seer-stone/ Truth Will Prevail Sun, 05 Aug 2018 23:56:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.8 By: Daniel O. McClellan https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/08/another-view-of-the-seer-stone/#comment-532973 Sun, 09 Aug 2015 20:16:05 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33711#comment-532973 Great post, Ben! Not ten minutes ago I was speaking with one of our multi-language translation supervisors in Europe about how much of an issue we’ve caused for ourselves by not even providing those materials you referenced above in the vast majority of the languages spoken by members of the Church throughout the world. As non-English speaking members become aware of these things, whether through recently translated gospel topic essays or comments or discussions composed or translated into other languages on the internet by informed members or non-members around the world, they’re going to respond the same way those skeptical RMs did in your BoM class, but they’re really not going to be responsible for their naivety. If we want our membership to have a solid foundation, we need to make sure this information is available and promoted to members whereever they are and whatever language they speak.

]]> By: Robyn Ausseresses Amis https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/08/another-view-of-the-seer-stone/#comment-532954 Sat, 08 Aug 2015 14:38:00 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33711#comment-532954 Oh no, Ben! From what I heard yesterday you’re on the high (low?) road to apostasy as a gnostic. May we come with you?

]]> By: ji https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/08/another-view-of-the-seer-stone/#comment-532952 Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:57:11 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33711#comment-532952 We all want to know what’s in that vault.

Not true. Some of us are firm enough in our faith to trust the leaders of the Church to exercise discretion and restraint in matters entrusted to them, and to do the right thing at the right time. Yes, as the original posting concluded, the future is bright!

]]> By: Jesse https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/08/another-view-of-the-seer-stone/#comment-532951 Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:37:13 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33711#comment-532951 The church seems to be very concerned with accuracy in art, sometimes too much so (I.e. Carl Bloch’s resurrection painting with angels’ wings photoshopped). So is the argument then that nobody with any clout at any time since JFS decided to correct the art? It seems like the very latest you could argue there was a lack of understanding about the seerstone in the church hierarchy is the publication of Rough Stone Rolling. So why the delay in opening up the dialogue about the seerstone?

]]> By: Mark B. https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/08/another-view-of-the-seer-stone/#comment-532929 Fri, 07 Aug 2015 15:08:59 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33711#comment-532929 “Truman Madsen’s Jesus the Christ”. Yeah, my mileage does vary.

]]> By: Steve Evans https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/08/another-view-of-the-seer-stone/#comment-532928 Fri, 07 Aug 2015 15:05:27 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33711#comment-532928 Cheers, Ben. I had a very similar experience while in France on my mission. It’s funny how that works.

]]> By: Ben S. https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/08/another-view-of-the-seer-stone/#comment-532927 Fri, 07 Aug 2015 14:12:47 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33711#comment-532927 JI had a good thread on What did you read on your mission?

My story is here

]]> By: Kristine A https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/08/another-view-of-the-seer-stone/#comment-532925 Fri, 07 Aug 2015 13:45:37 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33711#comment-532925 Well I suppose it’s understandable, since many missionaries are told which books they can or cannot read on their mission. As I recall most get a library that stops somewhere around Truman Madsen’s Jesus the Christ. YMMV

]]> By: Matt https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/08/another-view-of-the-seer-stone/#comment-532923 Fri, 07 Aug 2015 13:26:57 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33711#comment-532923 Well worth reading the PDF linked to, the Gift and Power of art. Fascinating.

Thanks for the ideas and resources Ben.

]]> By: Terry H https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/08/another-view-of-the-seer-stone/#comment-532916 Fri, 07 Aug 2015 00:49:40 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33711#comment-532916 TA. Thanks also. That was an unusual combination. If I recall, Van Wagoner passed away some time ago. I usually can get my citations better than that, but I believe it was 1983 when I read the article. (Perhaps they were a tad late . . . I seem to remember some of that going on at times back in the day).

]]> By: jader3rd https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/08/another-view-of-the-seer-stone/#comment-532912 Thu, 06 Aug 2015 23:24:12 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33711#comment-532912 I always knew about the Seer stone and the Urim and Thummin, but probably due to art work, whenever I would mentally envision Joseph Smith translating the plates I would never envision using either of them. I asked my wife last night if she’d heard of the Seer stone and she replied that it sounded familiar, but she forgot the context as to why it’s familiar.

]]> By: Jared* https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/08/another-view-of-the-seer-stone/#comment-532909 Thu, 06 Aug 2015 22:13:34 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33711#comment-532909 JFS may have buried the stone (historically speaking) when it came to the Book of Mormon translation, but ironically he was the most authoritative/accessible source (Doctrines of Salvation) for the fact that the Church still had possession of a seer stone.

]]> By: Ben S. https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/08/another-view-of-the-seer-stone/#comment-532892 Thu, 06 Aug 2015 16:28:08 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33711#comment-532892 Ah, thanks TA. Corrected.

]]> By: TA https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/08/another-view-of-the-seer-stone/#comment-532891 Thu, 06 Aug 2015 16:24:45 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33711#comment-532891 Interesting thoughts, Ben (Speckman?). But you probably ought to correct the RLDS name: Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (no hyphen, capital D).

Terry H., Steve Walker’s coauthor was Richard Van Wagoner, who is best known for his book on polygamy and his biography of Sidney Rigdon. Their article, “Joseph Smith: ‘The Gift of Seeing,'” was in volume 15, no. 2, Summer 1982, pp. 48-68.

Regarding the famed “vault,” I’ve been told by someone who has actually seen it that it’s really just a closet. Darn, that just doesn’t sound so mysterious.

]]> By: Ben S https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/08/another-view-of-the-seer-stone/#comment-532880 Thu, 06 Aug 2015 03:34:35 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33711#comment-532880 (I’m going from memory here, so take with grain of salt until I locate my source(s).)According to Samuel Smith, the Urim and Thummim “in silver bows” were set too far apart for Joseph’s eyes. Either he could only look through one with one eye, or had it obscured with both. It was more comfortable to use the seer stone.

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