Comments on: The Only True and Living Opinion https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/04/the-only-true-and-living-opinion/ Truth Will Prevail Sun, 05 Aug 2018 23:56:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.8 By: alotlikelaman https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/04/the-only-true-and-living-opinion/#comment-531591 Wed, 06 May 2015 18:00:40 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33222#comment-531591 Moderator: please delete my previous comment with the four hyperlinks (I believe it is still awaiting approval). It was poorly written and not well thought-out. Thank you.

]]> By: Suleyman https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/04/the-only-true-and-living-opinion/#comment-531573 Fri, 01 May 2015 00:19:51 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33222#comment-531573 alotlikelaman (21 & 23):

You are proof texting Adam Miller, and I know he would cringe at your description of him. Your argument about the Joseph’s revelations couldn’t even survive the test of D&C 1. There is a serious cost associated with full participation in the LDS Church, and 10% isn’t even the beginning of it. Try a “broken heart and a contrite spirit” on for size.

]]> By: Cameron N. https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/04/the-only-true-and-living-opinion/#comment-531572 Thu, 30 Apr 2015 21:50:47 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33222#comment-531572 Joseph and people who believe he was a prophet disagree for this reason:
‘I never told you I was perfect; but there is no error in the revelations which I have taught.”

]]> By: alotlikelaman https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/04/the-only-true-and-living-opinion/#comment-531558 Wed, 29 Apr 2015 17:53:59 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33222#comment-531558 1. Some of those D&C sections are to taken with a grain of salt. Joseph himself said he was full of weakness and I don’t think his revelations were exempt from those weaknesses.
2. Technically you have to pay for temple ordinances, indirectly. No tithing = no temple recommend. So it’s more like a free app that allows you lower levels for free but then makes you pay to advance to higher levels.

]]> By: Cameron N. https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/04/the-only-true-and-living-opinion/#comment-531540 Tue, 28 Apr 2015 02:40:32 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33222#comment-531540 “the only true and living church in which I the Lord am well pleased.”
The Gospel is proprietary, but available to all for free, without money or price.

]]> By: alotlikelaman https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/04/the-only-true-and-living-opinion/#comment-531539 Mon, 27 Apr 2015 19:55:41 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33222#comment-531539 As to your point #3, I’ve always been weary of the phrase, “One, True Church.” Adam Miller, the brightest mind in Mormon Thinkdom, knows this concept is silly:
“The gospel is not a proprietary system. It’s open sourced and many of the ideas and practices that are most decisive in living a joyful life are shared broadly across the world’s traditions and cultures.”
http://wp.me/p5PJwg-1q

]]> By: sjames https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/04/the-only-true-and-living-opinion/#comment-531536 Sat, 25 Apr 2015 00:53:52 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33222#comment-531536 ‘Traditionalists’ reified as a category doesn’t seem to do enough work – may have been kept in the fridge too long. Thanks Julie for the ‘constant harping’.

]]> By: Naismith https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/04/the-only-true-and-living-opinion/#comment-531517 Tue, 21 Apr 2015 19:44:31 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33222#comment-531517 I have not been able to get the link to work on a variety of browsers and platforms–anyone have an alternative link to view it?

]]> By: Adam G. https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/04/the-only-true-and-living-opinion/#comment-531515 Mon, 20 Apr 2015 23:00:01 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33222#comment-531515 That was a pretty thoughtful take. I don’t know if it adds up to any solution, but understanding the problem is good.

]]> By: christiankimball https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/04/the-only-true-and-living-opinion/#comment-531514 Mon, 20 Apr 2015 20:51:22 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33222#comment-531514 Notwithstanding #4, I want to acknowledge that this all is a valuable contribution, to appreciate especially #3 and your efforts to counterbalance in that area, and to observe that (in my opinion) #2 and #3 are probably correlated, meaning that the traditionally minded on a subject are relatively more likely to also think that only one opinion can win.

]]> By: Bell of Peace https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/04/the-only-true-and-living-opinion/#comment-531511 Mon, 20 Apr 2015 07:57:00 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33222#comment-531511 This article kindles my inner darkness. Thanks a lot. http://www.bellofpeace.org

]]> By: rogerdhansen https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/04/the-only-true-and-living-opinion/#comment-531507 Sun, 19 Apr 2015 15:39:59 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33222#comment-531507 It would be my feeling that most LDS sisters would feel that greater female participation in LDS governance is important. The only thing that is really up for discussion is how much and how fast.

]]> By: rah https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/04/the-only-true-and-living-opinion/#comment-531506 Sun, 19 Apr 2015 13:40:06 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33222#comment-531506 “Traditionalists are at a disadvantage..neutral ground…when we think one opinion can win…” I don’t agree with your point number 2 because you are casting that discussion as if it was a debate or somehow set up for for someone to win or lose. Maybe this speaks to just how polarized and politicized our space has become when we have to see every interaction, forum or discussion in this light. I watched the panel and it wasn’t represented as a debate. The women did very little debating of each others opinions. There opinions and perspectives were different from one another – though sure the variation was constrained by the individuals that accepted.

I think it was sad that more traditional (and I am not sure what that means, there were plenty of women there who are clearly active and card carrying Mormons – two of them teach or study at BYUs) women didn’t participate. Even it it was to bear testimony or to articulate the benefits of the status quo or express greater optimism that the current system is changing at a reasonable pace. Even there were lots of church positive talk and optimism – praising the tradition, praising the sister missionary change etc. After watching that panel I have a hard time believing that anyone on it would have “attacked” a panelist with different views. They might have expressed or articulated a disagreement or different viewpoint. If traditionalists are afraid of that they can’t go around accusing progressive mormons of creating echo chambers. They are chambers of there own making and it makes me wonder in what forums they DO discuss these issues and just how diverse the perspectives brought for true consideration and understanding by the decision makers in the church can possibly be.

]]> By: Rockwell https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/04/the-only-true-and-living-opinion/#comment-531503 Sun, 19 Apr 2015 06:11:32 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33222#comment-531503 Much effort has been expended to harmonize the different scriptural accounts and correlate the different instruction manuals for all classes and organizations so that all the different gospels and perspectives are now assumed to say the same thing. Like a fruit salad that has been too long in the fridge, everything now tastes the same, but we are forced to eat it amyway.

]]> By: SilverRain https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/04/the-only-true-and-living-opinion/#comment-531501 Sun, 19 Apr 2015 04:26:19 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=33222#comment-531501 The Tribune is not exactly a trustworthy host. They have no intention of being fair, no more than the Deseret News. You can’t rake people’s deeply held beliefs over the coals, and then stare around in wide-eyed wonder that they aren’t queuing up for a chance at it.

I wasn’t invited, but had I been, I would have likely refused. I have better things to do than play patsy as the token conservative invited only to create a facade of legitimacy. Plenty of those more sympathetic to the Church have tried, and most of us left have no interest in it.

I find most of those of a traditional viewpoint acknowledge quite a few other viewpoints as valid, they just don’t see why they should have to apply them.

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