Comments on: Congo! Heart of . . . https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/02/congo-heart-of/ Truth Will Prevail Sun, 05 Aug 2018 23:56:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.8 By: Annie https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/02/congo-heart-of/#comment-530347 Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:47:39 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=32708#comment-530347 Hi Clarke, the talk you are looking for reminds me of an article written by Eugene England, “Are all alike unto God?: Prejudice against Blacks and Women in popular Mormon theology”. I found this part thought-provoking: “If good earthly parents had a chance to send one child to a badly-run summer camp and one to an excellent one- and one child was sinful and troubled and the other righteous and a good influence- where would they send the troubled child? To the place the child could get the most help, I think the gospel would suggest, and most of us would believe. But that means, assuming God is such a good parent, that we who are born into privileged white Mormon families were likely those least valiant in the pre-existence and in need of help.” His reasoning is, that assuming the opposite was the case, God must be partial, racist and vindictive.

]]> By: Clark Goble https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/02/congo-heart-of/#comment-530182 Thu, 12 Feb 2015 21:04:23 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=32708#comment-530182 I should note that I may be recalling the speaker wrong too. I’m pretty sure it was Elder Ashton, who’s long been one of my all time favorite GAs, but it could have been Ballard, Oaks or someone else of that era. The talk was given to me as a handout in one of my BYU classes in the early 90’s which sort of limits what talk it could have been.

Good like with your project Margaret. Nice to have an authentic story of missionaries in Africa not biased by the South Park guys.

]]> By: Margaret Blair Young https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/02/congo-heart-of/#comment-530181 Thu, 12 Feb 2015 20:59:31 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=32708#comment-530181 I’d like to see the talk as well. Btw, one reason I posted this was to get attention for the Kickstarter campaign I’m doing, but I didn’t want to take advantage of T&S or pull a Bait and Switch. But, I think I’ll just provide the link. This blog post is part of a much bigger narrative. Check it out. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/868807300/heart-of-africa

]]> By: Clark Goble https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/02/congo-heart-of/#comment-530176 Thu, 12 Feb 2015 20:31:35 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=32708#comment-530176 No. That’s got a somewhat similar theme as do several other talks he gave at BYU. This one was explicitly about coming from pre-mortal life and judge our circumstances incorrectly. I can’t find it at BYU or LDS.org – believe me I’ve looked.

]]> By: Corey https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/02/congo-heart-of/#comment-530174 Thu, 12 Feb 2015 19:48:58 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=32708#comment-530174 Clark, are you thinking of Ashton’s talk “Carry your Cross”? https://www.lds.org/ensign/1988/02/carry-your-cross?lang=eng

]]> By: Rachel Whipple https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/02/congo-heart-of/#comment-530122 Thu, 12 Feb 2015 03:26:21 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=32708#comment-530122 This is lovely, Margaret. I’ll be thinking on the “state of my heart” as we head into Lent next week. This message comes at a good time.

]]> By: Margaret Blair Young https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/02/congo-heart-of/#comment-530114 Wed, 11 Feb 2015 22:50:48 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=32708#comment-530114 Thank you, Clark! Amen.

]]> By: Clark Goble https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/02/congo-heart-of/#comment-530107 Wed, 11 Feb 2015 21:17:30 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=32708#comment-530107 Fantastic post, especially relating Darius’ experience. One of my all time favorite talks was by Elder Ashton along these very lines. Unfortunately lost my copy (a print out) from water damage and can’t seem to find it again. However in it Elder Ashton talks seriously, perhaps in reaction to the ideas of the time, that most of those we see and think they are blessed are actually cursed and those we judge cursed are actually blessed. He gives some examples of people who have it so easy living in suburbia and think they are blessed but that ease makes their progression harder. The idea was that struggle was key for our progression and that we often don’t have an eternal perspective. I’m positive he was reacting to the whole false doctrine of “fence sitters.” Not just in relation to the priesthood ban but the still common near Calvinist idea that riches are blessings.

It seems to me, as you fantastic quote shows, that we’re called to act. The people who need to act are usually those who have to strive against great odds. The rich sitting in idleness are most likely not those “noble and great ones” the Lord has called. If our life is easy perhaps we should be more focused on lengthening our stride so that we accomplish more from an eternal perspective.

]]> By: Margaret Blair Young https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/02/congo-heart-of/#comment-530106 Wed, 11 Feb 2015 21:11:39 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=32708#comment-530106 Aw, thanks Jean! Those novels were a landmark to where we’re heading now. And I don’t know how far the journey goes. I know that I have seen miracle after miracle, and I know that I get to be “BFF” with Darius Gray, which is a huge privilege. Great things are happening!

]]> By: Jean@Howling Frog https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/02/congo-heart-of/#comment-530099 Wed, 11 Feb 2015 19:11:36 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=32708#comment-530099 Lovely. I have very few LDS novels, but the Standing on the Promises trilogy is a favorite.

]]> By: Amanda https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2015/02/congo-heart-of/#comment-530092 Wed, 11 Feb 2015 17:29:57 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=32708#comment-530092 Beautiful! Thank you.

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