Comments on: Mormons as Sports Fans https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2003/12/mormons-as-sports-fans/ Truth Will Prevail Mon, 06 Aug 2018 17:29:28 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.8 By: Brent https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2003/12/mormons-as-sports-fans/#comment-11567 Mon, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=171#comment-11567 I would say that it probably is fair. BYU MBA and law school graduates are held to higher standards too. When you belong to a faith that teaches a high standard of personal conduct, you are a target and people will watch to see if the conduct matches the message. Call it the “by their fruits ye shall know them” effect.

That said, I don’t know if booing by itself is a problem, if it the proper attitude attends the booing. Opposing teams should expect some booing at the home team’s venue, and referees making questionable calls also should expect a certain amount of criticism from the crowd. There were multiple highly questionable calls this season that contributed to huge momentum shifts against the Cougars. The problem is when booing is accompanied by derogatory comments, anger, hatred, etc. Comments to Bobick about “leaving the church” or being a “traitor to your religion” are beyond excessive. These show a complete lack of perspective. Sports exhibitions are fun, but they are only entertainment. They don’t have anything to do with eternal salvation nor are they necessary for happiness and peace in this life. Part of me is glad BYU had a couple of horrible seasons. I am a huge BYU football fan, but this season, after gentle rebuke from my good wife, I realized that the players and coaches have to feel the pain of their losses a whole lot more than I ever could imagine and that there is no reason to get worked up over wins or losses. Anyway, those are just some of my thoughts.

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By: Michelle https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2003/12/mormons-as-sports-fans/#comment-11568 Mon, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=171#comment-11568 This will obviously belie a little ignorance on my part (as to names, places, etc.) but I seem to remember being at a Yankees game this summer where the crowd booed a player from the opposing team for no apparent reason, until my husband explained that he had switched teams. If it wasn’t the Yankees, then it was a pro-football game we were watching. How is this different? A player that switches teams will always be booed at the ex-home court.

So the question is, should it be different at/for BYU? No. Is there reason or justification for people outside the church to act this way? No. Players that change teams should always expect a little hassling — it’s part of the sport and the competition. However, acting as if the particpant’s relgious status and eternal progression are at stake is just plain silly, and only shows the ignorance of the accuser. It’s not a higher standard — it’s just the standard. Evangelicals shouldn’t bring religion into competition, Jews shouldn’t bring religion into competition, Muslims shouldn’t bring religion into competition. Bobik’s coach may have placed the burden on the church, but that’s his bias to work out, not ours.

Higher standards for church members may exist, but they shouldn’t. And I really wonder if they do exist, or if members are just held more accountable. The world should expect these things from everyone – not just those who profess to have the true religion of Christ. These are moral standards that apply universally. When we expect the best, we’re more likely to get the best.

And how about those BYU Ballroom Dancers?

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By: cooper https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2003/12/mormons-as-sports-fans/#comment-11569 Mon, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=171#comment-11569 My husband graduated (and I attended) BYU “THE” year. Yes, the year of the national championship. They knew us by our fruits that year! Barry Switzer got to know us real well too. I am not sure we all were on our best behavior during that battle, but we did prevail!

And don’t even get started with church sports – that T shirt that reads “The brawl that begins and ends with prayer” says it all.

All in all I think we are generally more inclinced to be nice.

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By: Adam Greenwood https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2003/12/mormons-as-sports-fans/#comment-11570 Mon, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=171#comment-11570 Booing people who quit your team is, uh, required. You can’t be a fan if you don’t feel the betrayal.

But dragging the church into it is clearly excessive.

Also, insults shouldn’t be used unless they’re funny.

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By: Adam Greenwood https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2003/12/mormons-as-sports-fans/#comment-11571 Mon, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=171#comment-11571 I’ve always been impressed with schools like Nebraska that applaud opposing teams after the game.

Notre Dame does the same thing for Navy, plus they play the opposing team’s fight song after every game.

The idea of sports is to throw yourself wholeheartedly into the thrill and pleasure of competition, but show by various magnanimous gestures that one is the right sort and respects one’s opponent.

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By: Jeremiah John https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2003/12/mormons-as-sports-fans/#comment-11572 Mon, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=171#comment-11572 Ah, how church sports have declined over the years. Last year I read a manual from the church form the 1970s–on church basketball leagues! It talks about strategy and sportsmanship, as well as the pyramid of church sports–from stake campionships all the way up to area championships, if I remember correctly. It was also seriously stated that every game must have a first aid station to tend to injuries and a training table for refreshments. I am not making this up. I’ve lived in three states since I played church ball as a priest, and the quality of organization has become worse each year, it seems. The explanation has always been that sportsmanship problems means we need to be less “serious” about the games. Oh well.

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By: fly_killa https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2003/12/mormons-as-sports-fans/#comment-11573 Mon, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=171#comment-11573 As one the heathens from up north (the University of Utah), I am well aware of some of the unsportsman-like behavior on both sides. Every year when football season rolls around, my husband (a Cougar) and I go head to head. But I think as long as the ribbing is good-natured and fun, there’s no problem.

However, I do think booing is required when a player really stabs his fans in the back e.g. Karl Malone joining the Lakers.

Go Utes!!!

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By: Jeremiah John https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2003/12/mormons-as-sports-fans/#comment-11574 Mon, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=171#comment-11574 You have every right to be disappointed by the end of the non-shutout streak, and losing to your rival, in Provo no less, but this year you should count yourselves lucky that you only lost to an 8-2 Utah team by 3.

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By: cooper https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2003/12/mormons-as-sports-fans/#comment-11575 Mon, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=171#comment-11575 fly_killa: I agree wholeheartedly about Malone!!!! We have rooted for years against the evil empire called the Lakers. And living in SoCal, that is no easy feat! Then to have Carl saunter on over to get that ring…Ugh!

Needless to say, I’m not booing or cheering.

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