Comments on: Fatherhood, Again https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2003/12/fatherhood-again/ Truth Will Prevail Mon, 06 Aug 2018 17:29:28 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.8 By: Michelle https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2003/12/fatherhood-again/#comment-11562 Mon, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=170#comment-11562 These are great links, and this is a great discussion. I’m thankful for the “new world” we live in that necessitates a husband’s help with basic child care (in fact, I wonder how long I would have lasted 50 years ago — “if you think I’m doing this alone, you’re crazy”). My husband lovingly gets out of bed in the morning so I don’t have to. It seems that women are demanding this involvement – and I wonder if this is a result of modern marriage, focused more on love and less on daily living. Or maybe it’s just environmental? Does this new way really work on a farm? When my husband is sleeping in bed and doesn’t have to be at work until 10, you bet I expect him to help. But does he take out the trash or clean up the dinner dishes? Nope – because he’s not home until long after dinner. The mornings are the only time he gets with our daughter – and the mornings are when she needs the most care (diaper, immediate feeding, etc.)

I wonder what this changing fatherhood will mean. Children rarely fear their fathers anymore. Are we moving from an Old Testament view of the fearsome, distant Father, to the New Testament view of a loving, involved Father? (Please, I know these “views” are misguided, but they work well here. The God of the Old Testament is the same as the God of the New. The differences in charateristics are likely a result of the characters and situations involved.) We need both books (and others) to completely know God. What’s the complementary changing role of motherhood? And how does this changing fatherhood help us understand our Father better?

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By: Adam Greenwood https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2003/12/fatherhood-again/#comment-11563 Mon, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=170#comment-11563 The article points out that traditional roles may not be possible longer, because they leave the mother stranded and alone. But I disagree that the only solution is _necessarily_ to send the mother to work. I persist in finding the prospect not ideal.

I also object to egalitarian sharing because it usually extends not just to sharing of responsibilities but of sharing of ways of being. Mothers must become more fatherly and fathers more motherly. In my view, sex differences are eternal, deeply rooted in the divine plan, and therefore we should welcome them and welcome cultural instantiations of them. I do my bit with our children (medical situations make it a necessity even if I were not so inclined), but I do it as a man. My children do fear me a little and I suppose they will into adulthood.

I know that some of my friends have found it liberating to be able to be more feminine and motherly, etc. I have not. I have found it enervating. My nature is my liberation.

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By: Russell Arben Fox https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2003/12/fatherhood-again/#comment-11564 Mon, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=170#comment-11564 “Mothers must become more fatherly and fathers more motherly.”

I agree that this is not necessarily the only (or even the best) way to understand the divine command that husband and wife are to become “one flesh,” but such relative intercompatability of roles and responsibilities is, I think, an entirely legitimate (if “modern”) manifestation of the same ancient imperative. That is, stay-home dads and working moms–or, more basically, moms who had out discipline and work assignments, and dads who read bedtime stories and sing their children to sleep–are surely deviating from a long-standing social norm, with potential social consequences. But I’m not sure I trust “nature” enough to believe such deviations cannot, in their own way, nonetheless accommodate the most essential requirement of a good family and marriage (namely, unity), and therefore continue to fulfill God’s commands.

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By: Adam Greenwood https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2003/12/fatherhood-again/#comment-11565 Mon, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=170#comment-11565 I admit that I’m treading in murky waters here. It is by all means possible–even likely–that part of the purpose of having two sexes and then marrying them off is precisely so that each can learn the attributes of the other. I would only comment that the injunction to be “one flesh” but not “one soul” suggests to me that those attributes are always in some way to be mediated by the spouse. More fundamentally, my own experience is what teaches me the goodness of seeking roles and recognizing my sex.

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By: clark https://www.timesandseasons.org/index.php/2003/12/fatherhood-again/#comment-11566 Mon, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 /?p=170#comment-11566 I admit the “learning the attributes of the other sex” bit has always seemed far too Jungian to me. I think it is more that we learn to be one with someone who is different. Certainly our spouses have strengths we may not because of biological differences. But I personally think that individual personalities account for a lot more than sex. I’ve found in my marriage that most of the sexual differences that all my married friends spoke of aren’t nearly as big a deal as they m

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