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		<title>Comment on Dogs&#8217; Ears and Retention by anon for this one</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon for this one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 00:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#25 and 26--I also wonder what affect rampant porn/lust addiction has on ward social relations. 

Our LDS culture heavily emphasizes appearances. That raises the bar for how clean is company-worthy clean. That&#039;s a high bar for me--I have 6 kids, including a baby--not to mention the expense of a company-ready meal on our strained budget.

I could try to get over myself and give the gift of authenticity and serve a new convert lukewarm ramen in a messy house--hey, that could even be fun, with the right people--except for the larger issue: so many LDS people, especially husbands, wrestle with sex addiction. The numbers are pretty high. 

My husband&#039;s one of them. His 12-step recovery is spiritual chemotherapy and missing meetings is not optional. Pretty much all our time is devoted either to church things (Mutual, Primary activities, Scout) or to recovery, which is at least a part-time job. Between the two we have hardly any evenings at home as a family. 

It&#039;s exhausting to pretend to be normal all night for a stranger&#039;s sake and I don&#039;t have the bandwidth to do it. Getting close to other women, especially single ones, is not compatible with my marriage&#039;s boundaries. If that disappoints lonely sister converts, I assure you, I&#039;m disappointed too. 

I wish I were the exception to the rule, but the LDS counselors and bishops I&#039;ve spoken with lead me to believe my family&#039;s situation is all too common. And it would go pretty far to explain an apparently mystifying new insularity surrounding LDS families.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#25 and 26&#8211;I also wonder what affect rampant porn/lust addiction has on ward social relations. </p>
<p>Our LDS culture heavily emphasizes appearances. That raises the bar for how clean is company-worthy clean. That&#8217;s a high bar for me&#8211;I have 6 kids, including a baby&#8211;not to mention the expense of a company-ready meal on our strained budget.</p>
<p>I could try to get over myself and give the gift of authenticity and serve a new convert lukewarm ramen in a messy house&#8211;hey, that could even be fun, with the right people&#8211;except for the larger issue: so many LDS people, especially husbands, wrestle with sex addiction. The numbers are pretty high. </p>
<p>My husband&#8217;s one of them. His 12-step recovery is spiritual chemotherapy and missing meetings is not optional. Pretty much all our time is devoted either to church things (Mutual, Primary activities, Scout) or to recovery, which is at least a part-time job. Between the two we have hardly any evenings at home as a family. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s exhausting to pretend to be normal all night for a stranger&#8217;s sake and I don&#8217;t have the bandwidth to do it. Getting close to other women, especially single ones, is not compatible with my marriage&#8217;s boundaries. If that disappoints lonely sister converts, I assure you, I&#8217;m disappointed too. </p>
<p>I wish I were the exception to the rule, but the LDS counselors and bishops I&#8217;ve spoken with lead me to believe my family&#8217;s situation is all too common. And it would go pretty far to explain an apparently mystifying new insularity surrounding LDS families.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Un-natural &#8216;Natural&#8217; by Kent Larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 21:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Half Canadian, I think we should probably look past swearing and other things more. If someone stinks of cigarettes or liquor when they come to church, the best move is to ignore it. They will get the message that Mormons don&#039;t do that simply because the vast majority of members aren&#039;t doing it.

The same is true in our homes. Excluding people because of swearing, word of wisdom violations (unless the person is impaired and may then pose a danger to life, limb or property) and many other problems is more likely to offend than teach. Yet, unfortunately, Mormons often have the reputation of being inhospitable to strangers who practice these things.

Given that, why should we be inhospitable to including someone when they pose no physical impact whatsoever? Are we really afraid that we can&#039;t teach our children or make clear the teachings because some inactive and former members who are still called Mormons don&#039;t follow them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Half Canadian, I think we should probably look past swearing and other things more. If someone stinks of cigarettes or liquor when they come to church, the best move is to ignore it. They will get the message that Mormons don&#8217;t do that simply because the vast majority of members aren&#8217;t doing it.</p>
<p>The same is true in our homes. Excluding people because of swearing, word of wisdom violations (unless the person is impaired and may then pose a danger to life, limb or property) and many other problems is more likely to offend than teach. Yet, unfortunately, Mormons often have the reputation of being inhospitable to strangers who practice these things.</p>
<p>Given that, why should we be inhospitable to including someone when they pose no physical impact whatsoever? Are we really afraid that we can&#8217;t teach our children or make clear the teachings because some inactive and former members who are still called Mormons don&#8217;t follow them?</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Un-natural &#8216;Natural&#8217; by Half Canadian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Half Canadian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 21:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the lists of sins, swearing (non-deity) seems a bit low on the list.
Is it vulgar?  Yes, and I certainly expect my children to not swear. But having had a (Very spiritual) grandfather who swore (farmer) and a mission president who occasionally swore (only d*, sh*, h*), I can look past it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the lists of sins, swearing (non-deity) seems a bit low on the list.<br />
Is it vulgar?  Yes, and I certainly expect my children to not swear. But having had a (Very spiritual) grandfather who swore (farmer) and a mission president who occasionally swore (only d*, sh*, h*), I can look past it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Un-natural &#8216;Natural&#8217; by Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 20:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CS Eric:
 I am sure, had my son ever pitched against Harper, he would have put him on his wallet if he had the change. That would be a common act to
raise it level of a batter&#039;s aggression. If Harper try to steal home, and had the lead to do so, my son would just hit the batter, put him on first, and Harper back to third. That&#039;s Hardball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CS Eric:<br />
 I am sure, had my son ever pitched against Harper, he would have put him on his wallet if he had the change. That would be a common act to<br />
raise it level of a batter&#8217;s aggression. If Harper try to steal home, and had the lead to do so, my son would just hit the batter, put him on first, and Harper back to third. That&#8217;s Hardball.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mahana, You Ugly! by anonlds</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonlds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 20:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I received a stake calling not too long ago.  They called my wife in first and asked her if she would support me.  Then they called me in and extended the calling.  So it may not be a sexist thing, just a get the spouses approval thing, because they will be sharing some of the commitment by losing time away from the spouse.

This is a late post, but hopefully it helps.  It seems your husband is the one who should be offended, being told he wasn&#039;t an adequate husband.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I received a stake calling not too long ago.  They called my wife in first and asked her if she would support me.  Then they called me in and extended the calling.  So it may not be a sexist thing, just a get the spouses approval thing, because they will be sharing some of the commitment by losing time away from the spouse.</p>
<p>This is a late post, but hopefully it helps.  It seems your husband is the one who should be offended, being told he wasn&#8217;t an adequate husband.</p>
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		<title>Comment on You and Your Righteous Religious Mind by Raymond Takashi Swenson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymond Takashi Swenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 19:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As both the Old Testament and Book of Mormon make clear, the default organizing principle of human societies is the tribe, a body of descendants of a common ancestor, such as Abraham, Isaac and Israel and the twelve tribes, and the seven tribes of Lehi&#039;s group, which reemerge as the ,organizing principle of society after the government collapses in early Anno Domini.  Most religions originated in association with tribes, including Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. When Christianity explicitly expanded its jurisdiction beyond the Jews, it was with specific terminology that reimagined joining Christianity as a new birth into a new tribe, with Christ as its patriarch. 

The adoption of Christianity as the official religion of the Roman empire blended it with the structures that had previously used worship of Roman gods and emperors to unify conquered nations into a super tribe, a model developed when the city state of Rome conqueted or otherwise absorbed the other tribal states of the Italian peninsula, including Etruscans, Italians and Latins. 

Mormons have been noted for our emphasis on Old Testament characteristics, such as patriarchal families (emphasized by polygamy) and the intentional linking through ancestors and the affiliation with the twelve tribes in patriarchal blessings.  Mormons have been classified as almost an ethnicity, in spite of the diversity of our ancestral ethnicities.  It is an extended family in the way we will sacrifice for each other even if we disagree over politics and many other subjects. As recognized in Orson Scott Card&#039;s The Folk of the Fringe and other post-apocalypse science fiction, Mormonism is a survivor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As both the Old Testament and Book of Mormon make clear, the default organizing principle of human societies is the tribe, a body of descendants of a common ancestor, such as Abraham, Isaac and Israel and the twelve tribes, and the seven tribes of Lehi&#8217;s group, which reemerge as the ,organizing principle of society after the government collapses in early Anno Domini.  Most religions originated in association with tribes, including Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. When Christianity explicitly expanded its jurisdiction beyond the Jews, it was with specific terminology that reimagined joining Christianity as a new birth into a new tribe, with Christ as its patriarch. </p>
<p>The adoption of Christianity as the official religion of the Roman empire blended it with the structures that had previously used worship of Roman gods and emperors to unify conquered nations into a super tribe, a model developed when the city state of Rome conqueted or otherwise absorbed the other tribal states of the Italian peninsula, including Etruscans, Italians and Latins. </p>
<p>Mormons have been noted for our emphasis on Old Testament characteristics, such as patriarchal families (emphasized by polygamy) and the intentional linking through ancestors and the affiliation with the twelve tribes in patriarchal blessings.  Mormons have been classified as almost an ethnicity, in spite of the diversity of our ancestral ethnicities.  It is an extended family in the way we will sacrifice for each other even if we disagree over politics and many other subjects. As recognized in Orson Scott Card&#8217;s The Folk of the Fringe and other post-apocalypse science fiction, Mormonism is a survivor.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Un-natural &#8216;Natural&#8217; by MC</title>
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		<dc:creator>MC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 19:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would never say someone isn&#039;t a &quot;real&quot; Mormon because they&#039;re inactive or less than perfectly faithful. But as you say so yourself, Mr. Larsen, &quot;Best of all, for Mormons, he is an active LDS Church member who is clean—his talent doesn’t come from a pill bottle or cream.&quot; So, obviously, activity matters when we, active Mormons, seek out people like ourselves to root for in sports. Maybe there&#039;s an analogy to racial identity. If I were called as a general authority, I doubt I would inspire as much pride among Native American members as Larry Echohawk does, despite my 1/32 Native American heritage. The connection is just too tenuous to matter.

Self-identification matters, too. Bryce Harper actively identifies himself as Mormon, as does Brandon Flowers. So even though both of them admit to being less than squeaky clean (and who am I to judge?), at least in the past, I&#039;m proud to claim them. But I would feel weirdly clingy extending the same affinity to Roy Halladay, who hasn&#039;t once identified himself with Mormonism in anything I&#039;ve ever read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would never say someone isn&#8217;t a &#8220;real&#8221; Mormon because they&#8217;re inactive or less than perfectly faithful. But as you say so yourself, Mr. Larsen, &#8220;Best of all, for Mormons, he is an active LDS Church member who is clean—his talent doesn’t come from a pill bottle or cream.&#8221; So, obviously, activity matters when we, active Mormons, seek out people like ourselves to root for in sports. Maybe there&#8217;s an analogy to racial identity. If I were called as a general authority, I doubt I would inspire as much pride among Native American members as Larry Echohawk does, despite my 1/32 Native American heritage. The connection is just too tenuous to matter.</p>
<p>Self-identification matters, too. Bryce Harper actively identifies himself as Mormon, as does Brandon Flowers. So even though both of them admit to being less than squeaky clean (and who am I to judge?), at least in the past, I&#8217;m proud to claim them. But I would feel weirdly clingy extending the same affinity to Roy Halladay, who hasn&#8217;t once identified himself with Mormonism in anything I&#8217;ve ever read.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dogs&#8217; Ears and Retention by Ardis E. Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 19:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the &quot;interests, education&quot; part that is a mismatch, Matt. Location and age are hardly anything to base a friendship on once you&#039;re older than, say, 6.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the &#8220;interests, education&#8221; part that is a mismatch, Matt. Location and age are hardly anything to base a friendship on once you&#8217;re older than, say, 6.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dogs&#8217; Ears and Retention by Matt Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 18:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ardis and Kristine, I questioned why the single sisters in the OP didn&#039;t find each other for two reasons.  

First, as a rule we would expect that the more characteristics two people share, the greater the likelihood that they will be friends.  Friends would be disproportionately likely to live near each other, be similar in age, interests, education, etc.  So what I know about these particular women (all female, all single, all recent Mormon converts, all live near each other) makes them more likely to become friends with each other than with a random people they see on the street.

Second, friendship is also driven by necessity, so people who are shopping for friends at the same time, as these women appear to have been, would be more likely to make a match.  I probably met half of my law school friends in the first 30 days I was there, in part because after I had a certain number of friends I had less need to meet more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardis and Kristine, I questioned why the single sisters in the OP didn&#8217;t find each other for two reasons.  </p>
<p>First, as a rule we would expect that the more characteristics two people share, the greater the likelihood that they will be friends.  Friends would be disproportionately likely to live near each other, be similar in age, interests, education, etc.  So what I know about these particular women (all female, all single, all recent Mormon converts, all live near each other) makes them more likely to become friends with each other than with a random people they see on the street.</p>
<p>Second, friendship is also driven by necessity, so people who are shopping for friends at the same time, as these women appear to have been, would be more likely to make a match.  I probably met half of my law school friends in the first 30 days I was there, in part because after I had a certain number of friends I had less need to meet more.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Un-natural &#8216;Natural&#8217; by CS Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>CS Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 18:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I like about him is that he seems to understand baseball. For all the talk about his temper, in the game where the pitcher deliberately threw at him (he admitted this to the press later), Harper got revenge the best way possible.  He stole home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I like about him is that he seems to understand baseball. For all the talk about his temper, in the game where the pitcher deliberately threw at him (he admitted this to the press later), Harper got revenge the best way possible.  He stole home.</p>
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