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		<title>By: John Hamilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 00:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben: Oh yeah, they are mentioned. Sorry about that. (I&#039;m usually asleep by then.) God says to call them a day, giving them a sort of &quot;label&quot; instead of stating they are actually a real day, though.

Man, I&#039;m loosing it. Makes me wonder what else I&#039;m forgetting. I&#039;m getting old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben: Oh yeah, they are mentioned. Sorry about that. (I&#8217;m usually asleep by then.) God says to call them a day, giving them a sort of &#8220;label&#8221; instead of stating they are actually a real day, though.</p>
<p>Man, I&#8217;m loosing it. Makes me wonder what else I&#8217;m forgetting. I&#8217;m getting old.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It is interesting that no mention of “days” are in the temple ceremony.&quot;

Uh, pay closer attention next time ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is interesting that no mention of “days” are in the temple ceremony.&#8221;</p>
<p>Uh, pay closer attention next time ;)</p>
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		<title>By: John Hamilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 22:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting that no mention of &quot;days&quot; are in the temple ceremony. Seems days are more ambiguous than we might suppose. Although Raymond&#039;s explanations of scale are interesting. Maybe one day was longer than another? The poetry of the account in Genesis may hint at varying lengths of these &quot;days&quot; or creative periods.

However, the question, &quot;Does it ever hurt your head to think that the same person who created planets is willing to listen to you whine about your lost car keys?&quot; seems to show how little we do understand about the nature of God. We stand in awe of His power, but is that only because of our ignorance? All of His power would have no significance if He could not share it with His creations/children. I suppose. I mean, what would be the point? And why would &quot;sharing&quot; be fulfilling to an omniscient God?

Oh, man! Now my head is hurting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting that no mention of &#8220;days&#8221; are in the temple ceremony. Seems days are more ambiguous than we might suppose. Although Raymond&#8217;s explanations of scale are interesting. Maybe one day was longer than another? The poetry of the account in Genesis may hint at varying lengths of these &#8220;days&#8221; or creative periods.</p>
<p>However, the question, &#8220;Does it ever hurt your head to think that the same person who created planets is willing to listen to you whine about your lost car keys?&#8221; seems to show how little we do understand about the nature of God. We stand in awe of His power, but is that only because of our ignorance? All of His power would have no significance if He could not share it with His creations/children. I suppose. I mean, what would be the point? And why would &#8220;sharing&#8221; be fulfilling to an omniscient God?</p>
<p>Oh, man! Now my head is hurting!</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond Takashi Swenson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymond Takashi Swenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems curious to me that, in the midst of symbolically enacting major events on a weekly and a yearly schedule, so many people insist that the schedule set out in Genesis 1 can only be a literal one, and that it must be tied to the ordinary daily rotation of the earth, which is, after all, one of the things being created, and not a primary basis of the creation process.  Surely God has a clock of his own, logically prior to the earth.  

Each sabbath day is a recreation of the original conpletion of the creation by God, reminding us that God is sovereign over all the earth and over all mankind.  Each Sunday that we take the Sacrament of the Lord&#039;s Supper, we are commemorating a single past event, the redemption of mankind from the Fall of Adam and the resurrection of Christ, as well as a future event, the resurrection of all mankind.  Each Easter is the original resurrection renewed, just as each Passover is a renewal of the original event of the salvation of Israel by God, along with a looking forward to the fulfillment of Malachi&#039;s promise of the return of Elijah.  Yet the Passover itself involved the symbolic sacrifice of the paschal lamb and the application of its saving blood to each household of the faithful, pointing forward in time.  Each time we perform the ordinance of the Endowment in the temples, we are recapitulating the creation, fall, and salvation of mankind.  The clock by which we worship God is not a simple 24 hour clock.  Why then is God constrained by such a clock?

When the Sabbath is so heavily freighted with symbolism, and timelessness, why is it an obsession with many that the original event it commemorates can have no element of symbolism and is only a naked event in ordinary time?  When the events depicted in each stage of creation are miraculous, with no explicit ties to ordinary constraints of distance and volume, of mass and energy, of visible cause and effect, why do they insist that such an unusual process, that has so little to do with our day-to-day world of experience, HAD to be constrained by an ordinary 24 hour clock?  

I note that some who claim to adhere to a &quot;literal&quot; reading of Genesis 1 will concede that a &quot;day&quot; could mean &quot;1,000 years&quot; based on a statement in one of Peter&#039;s epistles.  Those who accept this equivalence are willing to insert a ratio of 365,000 to 1 into the meaning of the word &quot;day&quot; to make it more flexible.  If we add one more ratio of that size, we are in the range of 365 million years per &quot;day&quot;, totaling 2.55 billion years among seven days of creation, the order of magnitude of the current estimate of the age of the earth (4.5 billion years).  If one factor is acceptable, why not two?  Since God has created our galaxy, and it takes 100,000 years for light to cross from one edge of it to the other, why should we insist that God&#039;s time scale is so constrained compared to the space scale on which he works?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems curious to me that, in the midst of symbolically enacting major events on a weekly and a yearly schedule, so many people insist that the schedule set out in Genesis 1 can only be a literal one, and that it must be tied to the ordinary daily rotation of the earth, which is, after all, one of the things being created, and not a primary basis of the creation process.  Surely God has a clock of his own, logically prior to the earth.  </p>
<p>Each sabbath day is a recreation of the original conpletion of the creation by God, reminding us that God is sovereign over all the earth and over all mankind.  Each Sunday that we take the Sacrament of the Lord&#8217;s Supper, we are commemorating a single past event, the redemption of mankind from the Fall of Adam and the resurrection of Christ, as well as a future event, the resurrection of all mankind.  Each Easter is the original resurrection renewed, just as each Passover is a renewal of the original event of the salvation of Israel by God, along with a looking forward to the fulfillment of Malachi&#8217;s promise of the return of Elijah.  Yet the Passover itself involved the symbolic sacrifice of the paschal lamb and the application of its saving blood to each household of the faithful, pointing forward in time.  Each time we perform the ordinance of the Endowment in the temples, we are recapitulating the creation, fall, and salvation of mankind.  The clock by which we worship God is not a simple 24 hour clock.  Why then is God constrained by such a clock?</p>
<p>When the Sabbath is so heavily freighted with symbolism, and timelessness, why is it an obsession with many that the original event it commemorates can have no element of symbolism and is only a naked event in ordinary time?  When the events depicted in each stage of creation are miraculous, with no explicit ties to ordinary constraints of distance and volume, of mass and energy, of visible cause and effect, why do they insist that such an unusual process, that has so little to do with our day-to-day world of experience, HAD to be constrained by an ordinary 24 hour clock?  </p>
<p>I note that some who claim to adhere to a &#8220;literal&#8221; reading of Genesis 1 will concede that a &#8220;day&#8221; could mean &#8220;1,000 years&#8221; based on a statement in one of Peter&#8217;s epistles.  Those who accept this equivalence are willing to insert a ratio of 365,000 to 1 into the meaning of the word &#8220;day&#8221; to make it more flexible.  If we add one more ratio of that size, we are in the range of 365 million years per &#8220;day&#8221;, totaling 2.55 billion years among seven days of creation, the order of magnitude of the current estimate of the age of the earth (4.5 billion years).  If one factor is acceptable, why not two?  Since God has created our galaxy, and it takes 100,000 years for light to cross from one edge of it to the other, why should we insist that God&#8217;s time scale is so constrained compared to the space scale on which he works?</p>
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		<title>By: Mondo Soria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mondo Soria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 16:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.&quot; - Gen 1:3.

Theory has it that in the early primordial universe, there was a minutely momentary period of - according to our – time, when it was a hot plasma gas consisting of melted components of protons (quarks and gluons), there were no available particle interactions to produce light (i.e. electron transition, matter-antimatter annihilations, etc). Then when this cauldron of hot plasma cooled down sufficiently from a trillion degrees, the quarks emitted gamma rays – the flash of light that signaled the creation of protons. - Sticky Stuff by Robert Kunzig, Extreme Universe, Discover Magazine, Winter 2010

What I also find interesting is that in the progression of creation, Genesis scales the days logarithmically to explain each cosmic time period as God brought disorder (evening) to order (morning). - Gerald L. Schroeder, The Science of God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.&#8221; &#8211; Gen 1:3.</p>
<p>Theory has it that in the early primordial universe, there was a minutely momentary period of &#8211; according to our – time, when it was a hot plasma gas consisting of melted components of protons (quarks and gluons), there were no available particle interactions to produce light (i.e. electron transition, matter-antimatter annihilations, etc). Then when this cauldron of hot plasma cooled down sufficiently from a trillion degrees, the quarks emitted gamma rays – the flash of light that signaled the creation of protons. &#8211; Sticky Stuff by Robert Kunzig, Extreme Universe, Discover Magazine, Winter 2010</p>
<p>What I also find interesting is that in the progression of creation, Genesis scales the days logarithmically to explain each cosmic time period as God brought disorder (evening) to order (morning). &#8211; Gerald L. Schroeder, The Science of God.</p>
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		<title>By: April</title>
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		<dc:creator>April</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 02:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks!  and I agree with Ardis, it is a good take to make the lesson more dynamic for a mostly BiC class. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks!  and I agree with Ardis, it is a good take to make the lesson more dynamic for a mostly BiC class. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 23:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the template-that-can-teach-us-about-God direction. It shifts the discussion away from the literal vs. metaphorical tedium, among other good things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the template-that-can-teach-us-about-God direction. It shifts the discussion away from the literal vs. metaphorical tedium, among other good things.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie M. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie M. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 23:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>April, in Hebrew; I should have made that clear.  (I also could have been clearer that that isn&#039;t all of v1-3, but two sentences in v2 and one in v3.)

NB = note well</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>April, in Hebrew; I should have made that clear.  (I also could have been clearer that that isn&#8217;t all of v1-3, but two sentences in v2 and one in v3.)</p>
<p>NB = note well</p>
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		<title>By: April</title>
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		<dc:creator>April</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 23:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;NB that v1-3 has a 3x repetition of ‘seven’, each in a sentence of seven words&quot;

I&#039;m looking at this in a KJV of the bible. It doesn&#039;t seem to have seven words unless you are looking at a specific 7 words to group into sentence form. Or are you referring to the amount of Hebrew words before translation? Or am I just being a little dense or uninformed? It could be that I haven&#039;t read one of these before and I don&#039;t know what &quot;NB&quot; stands for! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;NB that v1-3 has a 3x repetition of ‘seven’, each in a sentence of seven words&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking at this in a KJV of the bible. It doesn&#8217;t seem to have seven words unless you are looking at a specific 7 words to group into sentence form. Or are you referring to the amount of Hebrew words before translation? Or am I just being a little dense or uninformed? It could be that I haven&#8217;t read one of these before and I don&#8217;t know what &#8220;NB&#8221; stands for! :)</p>
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