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	<title>Comments on: Reading lessons: interfaith, intertext, intersect</title>
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		<title>By: Rosalynde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosalynde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, that&#039;s the sort of thing I was thinking of. And the verificationalist strain in Mormon thought, and general optimism about human capacity to understand ultimate reality. 

Of course, Rachel would disagree with us. :)  And positivism has fallen out of fashion in academia, so I think many Mormon thinkers are a bit embarrassed about what could be construed as a naive materialism in our theology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, that&#8217;s the sort of thing I was thinking of. And the verificationalist strain in Mormon thought, and general optimism about human capacity to understand ultimate reality. </p>
<p>Of course, Rachel would disagree with us. :)  And positivism has fallen out of fashion in academia, so I think many Mormon thinkers are a bit embarrassed about what could be construed as a naive materialism in our theology.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ Frandsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ Frandsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rosalynde,

I&#039;ve always said Latter-day Saints are radical materialists - even the spirit is more refined matter and all is governed by law.

Russ Frandsen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rosalynde,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always said Latter-day Saints are radical materialists &#8211; even the spirit is more refined matter and all is governed by law.</p>
<p>Russ Frandsen</p>
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		<title>By: Rosalynde</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosalynde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a thought I&#039;ve had: Mormonism is the inverse of Christian existentialism. Maybe even: Mormonism is theological positivism.

I kinda like Christian existentialism, a la Paul Tillich, so I hope to be rebutted. Anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a thought I&#8217;ve had: Mormonism is the inverse of Christian existentialism. Maybe even: Mormonism is theological positivism.</p>
<p>I kinda like Christian existentialism, a la Paul Tillich, so I hope to be rebutted. Anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Rosalynde Welch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosalynde Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 04:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL, Adam! Both Rabbi Borak and Brother Paredes struck me as odd birds, not entirely representative of their communities but, maybe because of that, able to make interesting connections with one another and their audience. Maybe it takes someone a little out of the community mainstream to build a bridge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, Adam! Both Rabbi Borak and Brother Paredes struck me as odd birds, not entirely representative of their communities but, maybe because of that, able to make interesting connections with one another and their audience. Maybe it takes someone a little out of the community mainstream to build a bridge.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Greenwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Greenwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 03:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having a deep understanding of the complexities of the text, and wanting answers, can still work if you&#039;re talking about individual answers received by personal revelation.  A description of the complexities of the text is, in that case, a description of the possible range of answers.

Also, if you&#039;re just going to wear a Mr. Mac suit, what&#039;s the point of being a Rabbi?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having a deep understanding of the complexities of the text, and wanting answers, can still work if you&#8217;re talking about individual answers received by personal revelation.  A description of the complexities of the text is, in that case, a description of the possible range of answers.</p>
<p>Also, if you&#8217;re just going to wear a Mr. Mac suit, what&#8217;s the point of being a Rabbi?</p>
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		<title>By: Rosalynde Welch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosalynde Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 03:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raymond, valuable points as always. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raymond, valuable points as always. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Rosalynde Welch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosalynde Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 03:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DavidH, very much on point, thanks for the quote. I think it basically affirms what I argued in the post---namely that the LDS relationship to scripture emphasizes knowledge and answers, even if those answers don&#039;t come easily. Any answer requires a question, of course, and LDS culture encourages a certain kind of questioning, but I think ultimately LDS teachings place a greater value on settled spiritual knowledge than on endless inquiry. This despite the notion of continuing revelation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DavidH, very much on point, thanks for the quote. I think it basically affirms what I argued in the post&#8212;namely that the LDS relationship to scripture emphasizes knowledge and answers, even if those answers don&#8217;t come easily. Any answer requires a question, of course, and LDS culture encourages a certain kind of questioning, but I think ultimately LDS teachings place a greater value on settled spiritual knowledge than on endless inquiry. This despite the notion of continuing revelation.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosalynde Welch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rosalynde Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 03:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all, thanks so much for the comments. Sorry it&#039;s taken me a while to respond.  

Eric, tell me more. Which demographics correspond to which kind of Bible study, in your experience? If the idea is that a higher educational or socioeconomic status corresponds to a more sophisticated approach to scripture, I think there will certainly be some of that. I wonder, though, how American Mormons compare to American Jews in terms of education and SES---I&#039;m wondering whether there&#039;s really much of a demographic difference. Certainly there&#039;s a difference in geographical distribution, and maybe that has an effect, as well. 

In any case, I think you&#039;re right that there&#039;s not a strong theological mandate for our particular approach in scripture. We emphasize the verses that affirm what we do, but if we did something else we could find support for that practice, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all, thanks so much for the comments. Sorry it&#8217;s taken me a while to respond.  </p>
<p>Eric, tell me more. Which demographics correspond to which kind of Bible study, in your experience? If the idea is that a higher educational or socioeconomic status corresponds to a more sophisticated approach to scripture, I think there will certainly be some of that. I wonder, though, how American Mormons compare to American Jews in terms of education and SES&#8212;I&#8217;m wondering whether there&#8217;s really much of a demographic difference. Certainly there&#8217;s a difference in geographical distribution, and maybe that has an effect, as well. </p>
<p>In any case, I think you&#8217;re right that there&#8217;s not a strong theological mandate for our particular approach in scripture. We emphasize the verses that affirm what we do, but if we did something else we could find support for that practice, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond Takashi Swenson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymond Takashi Swenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 02:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the evidence we have about Joseph Smith&#039;s work on the Inspired Translation of the Bible is that he had a LOT of questions. In many cases he received significant answers through revelation, which constitutes about half of the Doctrine and Covenants, and most of the Pearl of Great Price, as well as the Inspired Version text itself. It is clear that he relied on the principle taught in James 1:5 throughout his life as a prophet.  

At the same time, we also know that Joseph was very conscious of the need to use all the tools available to understand scripture, which is why he hired Joshua Seixas to teach Hebrew to himself and others in the School of the Prophets.  

Finally, we also know that the meaning of the scriptures for Joseph also developed through his own experiences as a teacher and leader, and as one who was hunted and persecuted and imprisoned.  The meaning of Malachi Chapter 4, one of the very first things taught him by Moroni, only became clear over time, as he received keys from John the Baptist in 1829 and Elijah in 1836, and then was inspired to teach about baptism for the dead in Nauvoo. 

So the Latter-day Saints have the model of Joseph for understanding scripture through inspiration, through skilled study using the tools of scholarship and languages, and through application to life&#039;s experiences.  If we don&#039;t use all these approaches, we are not being true to our heritage, and are circumscribing the value of the scriptures for ourselves and our children. We are missing many of the &quot;precious&quot; things, the pearls that are hidden there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the evidence we have about Joseph Smith&#8217;s work on the Inspired Translation of the Bible is that he had a LOT of questions. In many cases he received significant answers through revelation, which constitutes about half of the Doctrine and Covenants, and most of the Pearl of Great Price, as well as the Inspired Version text itself. It is clear that he relied on the principle taught in James 1:5 throughout his life as a prophet.  </p>
<p>At the same time, we also know that Joseph was very conscious of the need to use all the tools available to understand scripture, which is why he hired Joshua Seixas to teach Hebrew to himself and others in the School of the Prophets.  </p>
<p>Finally, we also know that the meaning of the scriptures for Joseph also developed through his own experiences as a teacher and leader, and as one who was hunted and persecuted and imprisoned.  The meaning of Malachi Chapter 4, one of the very first things taught him by Moroni, only became clear over time, as he received keys from John the Baptist in 1829 and Elijah in 1836, and then was inspired to teach about baptism for the dead in Nauvoo. </p>
<p>So the Latter-day Saints have the model of Joseph for understanding scripture through inspiration, through skilled study using the tools of scholarship and languages, and through application to life&#8217;s experiences.  If we don&#8217;t use all these approaches, we are not being true to our heritage, and are circumscribing the value of the scriptures for ourselves and our children. We are missing many of the &#8220;precious&#8221; things, the pearls that are hidden there.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidH</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I have observed a common characteristic among the instructors who have had the greatest influence in my life. They have helped me to seek learning by faith. They refused to give me easy answers to hard questions. In fact, they did not give me any answers at all. Rather, they pointed the way and helped me take the steps to find my own answers. I certainly did not always appreciate this approach, but experience has enabled me to understand that an answer given by another person usually is not remembered for very long, if remembered at all. But an answer we discover or obtain through the exercise of faith, typically, is retained for a lifetime. The most important learnings of life are caught—not taught.&quot;  David A. Bednar  http://www.lds.org/library/display/1,4945,5344-1-2783-5,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have observed a common characteristic among the instructors who have had the greatest influence in my life. They have helped me to seek learning by faith. They refused to give me easy answers to hard questions. In fact, they did not give me any answers at all. Rather, they pointed the way and helped me take the steps to find my own answers. I certainly did not always appreciate this approach, but experience has enabled me to understand that an answer given by another person usually is not remembered for very long, if remembered at all. But an answer we discover or obtain through the exercise of faith, typically, is retained for a lifetime. The most important learnings of life are caught—not taught.&#8221;  David A. Bednar  <a href="http://www.lds.org/library/display/1,4945,5344-1-2783-5,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lds.org/library/display/1,4945,5344-1-2783-5,00.html</a></p>
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