Comments on: OT Lesson 3 Study Notes: Moses 1:27-42, Moses 2-3 http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2010/01/ot-lesson-3-study-notes-moses-127-42-moses-2-3/ Truth Will Prevail Fri, 25 May 2012 18:05:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jolene Breinholt http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2010/01/ot-lesson-3-study-notes-moses-127-42-moses-2-3/#comment-306455 Jolene Breinholt Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:21:08 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=10867#comment-306455 Tom, About The Savior Speaking for our Heavenly Father like he is Heavenly Father, that is called "Divine Investiture of Authority". Elder Holland explains it beautifully in his book called: Christ and the New Covenant. Under the heading: "The Father and the Son", (Christ in the Role of the Father) Talks about this very thing. Let me give you a Quote; "Because of this inseparable relationship and uncompromised trust between them, Christ can at any time an in any place speak and act for the Father by virtue of the "divine investiture of authority" the Father has given him. You may also look in Bruce R. McConkie's book, Promised Messiah: The first Coming if Christ, he states:" As we are also aware, whenever the Son speaks, he assumes the prerogative of speaking in the first person as though he were the Father. "Listen to the voice of Jesus Christ, your Redeemer, the Great I AM, whose arm of mercy hath atoned for your sins....Behold, I say unto you, that little children are redeemed from the foundation of the world through mine Only Begotten" (D&C;1,46). Christ speaks, but when occasion requires, he speaks by Divine Investiture of Authority as though he were the Father" Bruce R. McConkie Hope this helps! It truly helped me. Jolene Breinholt Tom,
About The Savior Speaking for our Heavenly Father like he is Heavenly Father, that is called “Divine Investiture of Authority”. Elder Holland explains it beautifully in his book called: Christ and the New Covenant.
Under the heading: “The Father and the Son”, (Christ in the Role of the Father) Talks about this very thing. Let me give you a Quote; “Because of this inseparable relationship and uncompromised trust between them, Christ can at any time an in any place speak and act for the Father by virtue of the “divine investiture of authority” the Father has given him.
You may also look in Bruce R. McConkie’s book, Promised Messiah: The first Coming if Christ, he states:” As we are also aware, whenever the Son speaks, he assumes the prerogative of speaking in the first person as though he were the Father. “Listen to the voice of Jesus Christ, your Redeemer, the Great I AM, whose arm of mercy hath atoned for your sins….Behold, I say unto you, that little children are redeemed from the foundation of the world through mine Only Begotten” (D&C;1,46). Christ speaks, but when occasion requires, he speaks by Divine Investiture of Authority as though he were the Father”
Bruce R. McConkie
Hope this helps! It truly helped me.
Jolene Breinholt

]]> By: Tom Johnson http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2010/01/ot-lesson-3-study-notes-moses-127-42-moses-2-3/#comment-306074 Tom Johnson Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:08:02 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=10867#comment-306074 Oh, oops, I just realized that comments for this post are supposed to be made elsewhere. I'll do that. You can strike this comment here. Oh, oops, I just realized that comments for this post are supposed to be made elsewhere. I’ll do that. You can strike this comment here.

]]> By: Tom Johnson http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2010/01/ot-lesson-3-study-notes-moses-127-42-moses-2-3/#comment-306073 Tom Johnson Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:07:17 +0000 http://timesandseasons.org/?p=10867#comment-306073 I would have left this comment on your lesson 1 post, but the comments for that one are closed. Thanks for the writeup -- I find it very helpful. I'm wondering if you can shed any light on the point of view and voice used in Moses, especially chapter one. In 1:6, Christ says, <blockquote>And I have a work for thee, Moses, my son; and thou art in the similitude of mine Only Begotten; and mine Only Begotten is and shall be the Savior, for he is full of grace and truth; but there is no God beside me, and all things are present with me, for I know them all.</blockquote> Why does Christ refer to himself in the third person in this way? That point of view seems to reveal more about the nature of the godhead than most people consider when reading this chapter. I've heard explanations as varied as "they're one in purpose" to "you've got to understand the concept of divine investiture." I know we feel doctrinal clarity about their separate identities of the godhead, but the merged point of view in the scriptures makes those separate identities a little more complex. ----- re the site's comment form: the Name field in the comment form seems to be corrupt in Firefox. In Chrome I couldn't even type a name, so I had to switch to Firefox. I would have left this comment on your lesson 1 post, but the comments for that one are closed. Thanks for the writeup — I find it very helpful. I’m wondering if you can shed any light on the point of view and voice used in Moses, especially chapter one. In 1:6, Christ says,
And I have a work for thee, Moses, my son; and thou art in the similitude of mine Only Begotten; and mine Only Begotten is and shall be the Savior, for he is full of grace and truth; but there is no God beside me, and all things are present with me, for I know them all.

Why does Christ refer to himself in the third person in this way? That point of view seems to reveal more about the nature of the godhead than most people consider when reading this chapter. I’ve heard explanations as varied as “they’re one in purpose” to “you’ve got to understand the concept of divine investiture.”

I know we feel doctrinal clarity about their separate identities of the godhead, but the merged point of view in the scriptures makes those separate identities a little more complex.

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re the site’s comment form: the Name field in the comment form seems to be corrupt in Firefox. In Chrome I couldn’t even type a name, so I had to switch to Firefox.

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